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Does Wikipedia have a left-leaning bias?

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I'm interested in knowing whether Wikipedia inadvertently has a particular bias. I know that everything has to be written in a neutral point of view and is not supposed to take sides on anything. I found the article on this topic here, Ideological bias on Wikipedia, but I found the article too confusing. I'm assuming that many of the sources that Wikipedia cites, mostly mainstream media, seem to have a left-leaning bias which may contribute to its bias since almost all of Wikipedia's info comes from mainstream media. I am hoping that I can get a quick summary on whether Wikipedia has a bias or not or if it leans a certain way. I hope to hear from you soon. Interstellarity (talk) 22:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that theme has come up. Search for "bias" in the archive. 176.0.164.84 (talk) 01:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

There is an article on this topic which relates academic and public commentary. See Ideological bias on Wikipedia. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ceyockey, you perhaps didn't notice that @Interstellarity has already cited that article. ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Interstellarity, bear in mind that political "left/centre/right" are subjective perceptions, unless everyone agrees to use a particular scheme that has measurable parameters. They are also culturally specific, and their meanings in one country rarely exactly correspond to their meanings in another: this makes assessing the 'lean' in a global encyclopaedia rather problematic. "Centres" also shift over time – see Overton window and Left–right political spectrum.

For example, as I am British and you are (I will presume) American, my perceived political "centre" will probably be a good deal leftward of your "centre". I would consider my position in a British context to be mildly left of centre on some (more social and environmental) issues and mildly right on other (more economic) issues: you would probably consider me fairly left-wing from your point of view, and I would probably (given your query) consider you fairly right wing. How then can we agree on "bias in Wikipedia"?

It may well be that the Left-right political spectrum model is oversimplified, outdated and inadequate. Others are available, see Political spectrum. Two axes models are generally more insightful, and I suspect one with three axes would be even better. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 20:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. I will confirm that I am an American. There doesn't appear to be any way to ping you, but I'm sure you watch this page a lot. I've been trying to educate myself on this issue and I read your comments. It appears that determining any type of bias on Wikipedia is difficult since the political systems in each country are different from one another. I was reading Donald Trump's article on Wikipedia and I thought to myself that the article is biased against him just by reading the article, but I have learned that Wikipedia gets its facts from the sources which is usually mainstream media that is critical of him. That's probably why I thought Wikipedia had a left-leaning bias. Interstellarity (talk) 22:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

"American" is not actually the same thing as "Citizen of the U.S.A.," by the way.

There are 35 states in America;

Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Suriname, Bolivia, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Belize, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico, USA, Canada, Bahamas, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Dominca, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica

Anyone from any of these states is an American.

Anyone who reads and writes in English , around the entire world, can create a wikipedia account.

In most of these countries, "left" and "right" don't mean anything. Even in Europe, they have different meanings than they do in the USA. Guylaen (talk) 07:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Are we biased against him or does he just do and say a lot of horrible things? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I like your answer a lot sir. If I may add: If you leave the Western world, other country's parties and "left/right" can be totally different. For example, in America, a "liberal/leftist" may be very pro-immigration etc., whereas in Turkiye the "liberal/leftist" parties are vehemently anti-immigration and very pro-"Turkish" and desire to see "Turkish" language and culture supersede all others in the country. Whereas the Islamists and "conservatives" AKA muhafaza parties are actually pro-immigration, pro-diversity, and pro-multicultural and multi-lingual (actually this is a typical norm among Islamists in many countries, because Islam itself denounces racism and promotes multiculturalism in its sources and from the sirah nabawiyah). So on that note, I find the English Wikipedia to be quite lacking in diversity of thought! It needs more Islamic views. DivineReality (talk) 03:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I really don't wanna be that guy. But Wikipedia calls national socialism "far right" to make right-wingers look bad, or at least that's what I think. Flying disc 1 (talk) 03:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not be expected to exclude relevant factual information on þe basis þat it makes certain people or groups "look bad". Þat would be an egregious example of bias. GenderBiohazard (talk) 15:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

National Socialism is, objectively, a far-right movement. No bias there. Drdr150 (talk) 16:31, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

National Socialism/Nazism is, objectively, a far-right movement. There's no ulterior motive behind calling a spade a spade, or in this case, the far-right far-right. Beedlejoos (talk) 07:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh bugger, almost identical to the comment above. Beedlejoos (talk) 07:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fdZu2vb_I&pp=ygUkd2VyZSB0aGUgbmF6aXMgZmFyIHJpZ2h0IG9yIGZhciBsZWZ0 Guylaen (talk) 07:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is used for informative purposes. As users come to edit, they may change the facts and alter the article. Various factors may be included in their changes. Bias may be shown in their changes, highlighting different facts inside their edits. There possibly could be some excessively biased articles that show changes of users. Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 19:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Good observation I saw a church rewriting a wiki post to be more in line with the tone of wikipedia and less biased and they blocked them and deleted the edits. It’s not even in the log, luckily I have copied it to show openminded people like you. IamNeutrality (talk) 20:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like WP:COI. GenderBiohazard (talk) 21:57, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Is it not possible that The conservative people work while the left poor masses on welfare have lots of free time to spend on drugs, editing articles etc? Let’s gather the facts and see who is the majority of people with liberal free time for editing!

I don’t know yet only a guess! IamNeutrality (talk) 09:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

First, a church should not be editing Wikipedia as accounts represent individuals and plus, it was your sockpuppet account and it got blocked so I can see why it might upset you. I don't see how you can justify the edit it made though. But since you are blocked as well for being NOTHERE, I won't expect a response. By the way, I think I know a lot of editors on this platform after 11 years and they are neither on welfare or on drugs. Random assumption on your point. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

As pointed out before me Fact's have a left leaning bias, it's like the comic that's gone around of the rich guy with a mountain of cookies making two other guys fight over the 1 between them, right wing policies favour the few and as such require lies so right-wing politics are just less factual. Galdrack (talk) 00:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The fact that you're here, and allowed to ask this question, means that it doesn't have any bias other than to the truth.

When you are confronted with an article that presents information that is contrary to your worldview, please take a moment to wonder if your worldview is incorrect. In writing my series of articles on Cuba, as a citizen of the U.S.A., I have had to confront my worldview almost daily.

What I've formulated going forward is the notion that history and reality are neither conservative, nor liberal, neither right, nor left - but COMPLICATED. This is a complex ball of wax. Facts are stubborn things. Guylaen (talk) 07:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

In the united states, facts have a liberal bias because conservative media will push any lie they want to get more money. We recently got two back-to-back hurricanes and a certain politician said that all the emergency aid is going to immigrants, and that caused a literal armed militia in tennessee to confront FEMA workers (Associated Press link, no paywall) because conservative media (especially alternative or low quality sources) picked up on the story and spread it. Unfortunately the U.S. has no standards for bias and accuracy in journalism and it shows given that MSNBC and FOX are some of the top "news" sources in the country. Politicians and influencers sow distrust and hatred towards "the other side" and easily manipulated and unintelligent people fall for it. I say that facts have a liberal bias because if you tally up all the lies sources from both sides of the aisle say, an overwhelming amount of them will be from conservative outlets. ApteryxRainWing (talk) 12:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm assuming that many of the sources that Wikipedia cites, mostly mainstream media, seem to have a left-leaning bias

Most mainstream media outlets have a liberal bias, broadly construed, somewhat closer to the classical, non-USAian sense of the term, not a leftist bias per se. As for Wikipedia policy, sources with an illiberal bias are typically regarded as generally unreliable, deprecated, or blacklisted, whether they have socialist (e.g. WP:TELESUR), communist (WP:GLOBALTIMES), reactionary/extreme traditionalist (WP:BREITBART, WP:QUILLETTE) standpoints, or simply have views favorable to states regarded as illiberal by the reliable sources (WP:ADLPIA, WP:DAILYSABAH, WP:GLOBALTIMES, WP:OCB, WP:PRESSTV, WP:RT.COM). This understanding of Wikipedia's policies on sourcing and innate ideological biases is much more parsimonious and has greater predictive and explanatory power than assuming it is biased towards liberalism and against conservativism in the narrow, largely modern, largely American sense. Brusquedandelion (talk) 07:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Let me invite you to reading any page about islam that isn't a top priority for the Islam:Portal wikiproject....

And then let me invite you to the American commentary by Roy Casagranda (youtube, amazing story teller), Chris Hedges and the Jewish Commentary on Islam by Albert Einstein, Noam Chomsky, ilan Pappe, and Gabor Matte, which paints a world different world.

Islam on english wiki is unrecognisable and divorced from actual history and lived Muslim experience. Edward Said addresses this in one of his biggest books "Orientalism", 1978. Since, there has been mounting academic self-reflection that addresses and acknowledges a systemic pattern and multiple century old history unique to western discourse to smear not only non-europeans, but MENA, muslims, and islam.

For example, the byzantine empire called itself romans but european revisionism changed its historic label to an inaccurate and non-relevant name of byzantium to divorce anatolians from the white european identity. Bro The Man (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Paul Krugman has observed, "Facts Have a Well-Known Liberal Bias." Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia is not leftist. I'm a neoliberal and do just fine here. But to fill in the details, see https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07942-8 tgeorgescu (talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

This wasn't the first time the observation was made: Stephen Colbert notably said reality has a liberal bias at the at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Dinner. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 08:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I lean towards the left but I am not a true believer in any activist group although I agree with their goals but not their methods and I know I am probably going to get banned , muted, ostracized , or put on some kind of list for this but some articles such as Gamergate (harassment campaign) show a clear political bias towards progressive politics with political jargon and snarl words , making it very clear from its tone that activists wrote the article , and regularly police it to ensure that it is not altered to have a more NPOV tone. And finally to make it clear for the record I am not now nor have I ever been a member of any activist group Washusama (talk) 04:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

That's one of the most corrupted pages on all of Wikipedia, IMHO.

As for the general topic, albeit still tangentially related, I'd like to quote another discussion in response to a new user concerned that everything within the Reception section of the page on conservative site DailyWire was criticism and that there wasn't even any coverage of their growth or popularity:

I don't particularly like DW but you're right. The problem is that the list of "reliable sources" (known as WP:RS) doesn't include conservative or right-leaning sources that would be willing to discuss a site like DW in a positive light, or seemingly even in a plain factual light regarding their growth and popularity.

WP:RS is the main means of controlling the discourse and editing process on WP to ensure it stays biased in favour of whatever viewpoint predominates among WP editors (which, for almost all of its existence, has been a sort of default progressivism). WP:RS is (and always has been) regularly culled to keep pace with the Overton window, whereby increasingly gentle right-leaning sources are hacked off until there's nothing left.

I'm aware of several pages on Wikipedia that illustrate that it doesn't matter what standard of proof you have - you can have direct evidence of a group colluding to engage in wrongdoing in a private chat and firsthand admissions from the participants - because WP will simply remove the sources that refer to that proof from the list, thus making them uncitable and offering those with power over WP:RS policy complete control over the worldview that WP reflects. It doesn't matter even if a pool of experts in a peer-reviewed study from a WP:RS journal declare that the only news source reporting accurately on their field is conservative/right-wing (which has literally happened before) because that source will never be added to WP:RS, even for the very subject (intelligence research) in which it trounced every single source of highest preference on the Approved™ list (which were all judged with negative-to-very-negative scores).

The idea that WP is neutral is laughable. It's highly debatable whether it's possible to have a truly neutral encyclopaedia -- but that gets into deep epistemology far outside the scope of the discussion. Frankly, in my own research, I don't consider WP any more intrinsically reliable than ProleWiki (communist), Conservapedia (neoconservative), or Metapedia (dissident) -- at least those sites make their ideology clear up front. In my own quest for knowledge, I treat WP as "Wikipedia (progressive)" in a mere longlist of summarising sources.

I tend to agree with Robert Conquest and John O'Sullivan: "All organizations that are not [explicitly] right-wing will over time become left-wing." Certainly, this is what happened to WP. A similar point has been repeatedly raised alongside solid examples by WP's co-founder, Larry Sanger, who has composed a trilogy of articles on the subject of WP's bias. Perhaps most valuably, they expound upon the closest practicable approximation to a "neutral" or "objective" encyclopaedia (those words, which we oft-interchangeably associate with honesty and integrity, all mean subtly different things and have been exploited and manipulated). Needless to say, his isn't WP's model, despite him drafting the original, obsoleted NPOV policy.

Elliott-AtomicInfinity (talk) 04:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse thread notification bot is back

Hello. I received approval for the bot's task. In short: due to some technical difficulties I was unable to use Muninnbot's account. So I had to use my own KiranBOT account. I have sent out the notifications of the recent archival, here is an example diff. Kindly let me know if something should be changed, like the edit summary, or the main message, or some other thing. courtesy ping @Rotideypoc41352: —usernamekiran (talk) 17:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding a star for the people below! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

It looks good to me! We'll see how it goes. Thank you:

• Usernamekiran, for all your hard work
• Sdkb, who started the original Bot inoperable thread that led to resumption of these notifs
• and everyone else who helped at that thread.

Also, I tried to update the Munninbot userpage. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• I forgot to mention: similar to Muninnbot, KiranBOT will not send notification in case the thread/section title is updated after creation. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

  I have a rudimentary logic to resolve this issue. But given the upcoming Diwali festival, I will be busy in office as well as personal life. I will work on the issue as soon as I get free time, which might be after 10 November. In case anyone wants to stay updated, I recommend watchlisting User:KiranBOT/Teabot, where I will post the documentation once the issue is taken care of. —usernamekiran (talk) 02:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding iNaturalist image

Hello there!

I was wondering what the protocol is for adding images from iNaturalist specifically in regards to the copyright? I've reached out to the creator of the specific image I wanted to use, but wanted to check in and make sure that I am able to do so without it being copyright infringement (while following the tutorial from wikiedu on how to add images properly).

Page being edited: Midvalley fairy shrimp

Photo in question: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147506541 Erinkmarkham (talk) 05:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

There's an admirably clear link from that page to this one, which essentially says that yes you may use it, as long as this satisfies various requirements. -- Hoary (talk) 05:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Erinkmarkham Just adding to what @Hoary has said... yes, you can upload a photo from a site like Flickr that has been released for commercial re-use, as this one clearly has.

You don't need to reach out to the original photographer to seek their permission, but I think it really helps if you reach out afterwards and thank them for releasing the image under the right licence, and linking to the article you've added it to. People like to see and know that their images are proving useful and being appreciated by others. And it encourages them to continue doing so, I believe.

There's an interesting page about the relationship between iNaturalist and Wikip0edia here. It's really useful to send people to ask them to reconsider the licencing they've given to a particular image, and includes a link to a 'how to' video for changing attribution in iNaturalist. https://www.inaturalist.org/posts/76329-using-inaturalist-images-on-wikipedia

Just remember to ensure when you upload it to Commons that you don't accidentally claim the image as your own, and include a link back to the image on the photosite so our volunteer response team can check the licencing if necessary.

I have found people are mostly happy to change licencing for individual photos (or even upload an alternative lower res image under the right licence) that they've put on Flickr if you explain the use that you would like to put it to. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Erinkmarkham: There is more info, and links to useful tools, at c:Com:INaturalist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Erinkmarkham @Hoary I think you're misinterpreting the copyright notices -- the image is clearly listed as "all rights reserved" but the observation is listed as "CCBY4.0". That means the author does not give permission for people to use the image, as far as I can tell, but does give permission to use the metadata/information associated with it. See this help page -- if the symbol on the bottom of the photo is "C" and not "CC" (as here) that means that the image has not been released under CCBY4.0. The default license is actually Creative Commons Attribution-Non-Commercial license, which Wikipedia can't use. Mrfoogles (talk) 00:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Erinkmarkham (and Nick Moyes and Andy Mabbett): Mrfoogles is right and I was wrong. I apologize. As displayed on that page, the image is marked "©". Click on that, and we read "©ivanparr, all rights reserved". This very clearly conflicts with reproduction at Wikimedia Commons (or Wikipedia). -- Hoary (talk) 08:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Subpages

So I have seen that some other uses have their own subpages. How do I make my own subpage(s)? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 06:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@RedactedHumanoid Have a look at Wikipedia:User pages § Creating a subpage. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 06:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RedactedHumanoid. You start by typing "User:RedactedHumanoid/" into the search box, being sure to add the slash. After the slash, you type in something that you can remember. Let's say you are working on developing a new paragraph to add to Saturn. You would type in "User:RedactedHumanoid/Saturn", and then search for it. You will get a message saying that page does not exist, and then a link that says "Start the User:RedactedHumanoid/Saturn page". Click that link and start writing about Saturn (or whatever), and when you publish your changes, that page will be created. You can have as many subpages as you want, as long as you are using them to improve the encyclopedia. You cannot host content unrelated to Wikipedia, or that otherwise violates policies. Cullen328 (talk) 06:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Am I allowed to create subpages for showing my userboxes, listing what articles I have created, etc? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 00:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

RedactedHumanoid: Yes indeed, a lot of users do this, especially when they accumulate a lot of userboxes or awards. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 00:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 00:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Permission to add something to the 2018 United States–Canada tornado outbreak page?

I noticed this, but both the Dunrobin-Gatineau and The Arlington Woods tornadoes were probably significant enough to get the "see section on this tornado" for this page: 2018 United States–Canada tornado outbreak. just wondering if i have permission to add it. SillyNerdo (talk) 20:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, I'm not sure how to add the link part lol since I'm basically a newcomer. SillyNerdo (talk) 20:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@SillyNerdo The "Cite" or "Add reference" button in Wikipedia's VisualEditor appears as a small icon resembling quotation marks. Here’s a description

• It is located in the editing toolbar at the top of the page when editing an article.
• The icon typically shows a quotation mark symbol and may be labeled as "Cite" or "Citations."
• Clicking it opens a drop-down menu with options for adding references, including manually or using templates like "Cite web," "Cite book," or automatic citation generation using a URL. Please ensure that any links you add come from reliable sources. Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources eg WP:RS and WP:IS

Afro 📢Talk! 16:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

You don't need permission from anyone to edit (unless a page is protected or other special circumstances apply), and in fact you're encouraged to be bold. I'm not sure I can from your description judge whether you should make this edit, but worst thing that can happen is someone undoes it and you discuss how best to improve the article. As for how to add links, see either Help:Wikitext or Help:VisualEditor, depending on which editor you use. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 20:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

ok thank you! SillyNerdo (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia can be edited by everyone so feel free to positively @SillyNerdo.you can follow guide highlighted above. Tesleemah (talk) 14:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I found out how to add links to headers, just saying! SillyNerdo (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

strange e-mail

If this is the wrong place for my question please redirect me.

I received an email from user "Izmirrexha1992" with a straight forward question. The issue is that I can not find this user (on enwiki AND meta). They provided a link to WP that was dead. Could well be that I searched "wrong", but it leaves me puzzled. Does this user exist somewhere? And if not; What is or could be going on here? I.E. Why would somebody claim to be a user when they are not? Dutchy45 (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

There's a user with that name who has made one edit and the account was created in September. [1]. Hard to say more without knowing the context of the email. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 04:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, your link has me confused as to why I couldn't find it. He asked me to start an article about a city in a small-language wiki. I only have a few edits on that wiki, and I don't even speak that language. Now I'm wondering if he mass e-mailed everyone who has ever made an edit there. Thoughts? Dutchy45 (talk) 05:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Dutchy45, it would be helpful if you told us more about the contents of the email. Did the email come through the Wikipedia email facility? If so, I recommend not responding to the email as that discloses your email address to someone who may be up to no good. This may be a variation of WP:SCAM. Be cautious. Cullen328 (talk) 06:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Dutchy45, the editor has contributed to five other language versions of Wikipedia and seems to be interested in Albania. Another possibility is that they are confused. Cullen328 (talk) 06:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, It did come through the WP email. I've had a few mails from other editors in the past. My email adress is disclosed somewhere in my settings. I'm not worried about scamming. Thanks for the warning though. I saw his global edits already (the 5 other languages). He asked if I wanted to start an article about Tirana (Albania's capital) in Surinamese (a former Dutch colony). So, confused? Maybe. But what puzzles me is; why mail me? Dutchy45 (talk) 09:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Presumably because you have contributed to the Dutch and Afrikaans Wikipedia? Don't know.

By the way: your email is not disclosed unless you have chosen to do so. Other editors can email you, but they do not see your email unless you reply to them. ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: Maybe you searched for a user page and saw a message saying there is no page. It's optional for users to make a user page. Special:CentralAuth/Izmirrexha1992 shows their acounts. Wikipedia mail is sent via Wikipedia's servers without revealing the address of the recipient to the sender. If you reply, whether directly or by Wikipedia mail, then they get your email address. I suggest you don't do that. If you post to their talk page then your mail address remains hidden from them. We don't have access to the email activity of users so I don't know how many mails the user has sent. We have 48 million registered users. There is no "Surinamese" at meta:List of Wikipedias and Surinamese language can apparently refer to several things but I guess you mean Sranan Tongo at srn: where you have four edits. srn:Special:Statistics says they only have 12 active editors (Users who have performed an action in the last 30 days). Izmirrexha1992 is one of them and two of them are not people. The only edit by Izmirrexha1992 is to srn:User talk:Artekimus which sounds similar to the mail you got. Special:CentralAuth/Izmirrexha1992 shows very few edits and several of them are similar requests to other languages to create an article about Tirana or Albania. Maybe they want their home to move up on Special:MostInterwikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, I have taken your advice and replied on his talkpage. Partly because of what you said but mainly because if he mailed others, they are now able to see that. Maybe I'm wrong but to me it just feels off. Why go through the trouble of sending an email when a talkpage message is much easier?! Unless you don't want a record of it on WP is my guess/thinking. Thanks for taking the time for a lengthy and informative reply. Dutchy45 (talk) 11:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: It is an odd approach but with 48 million accounts here at the English Wikipedia and millions more at other languages, some oddities will happen. If they made a lot of unsolicited talk page posts at the same language then they might be blocked. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, I just read your reply. Then checked his talkpage for a possible respons and saw somebody else already with a similar thing! see here Dutchy45 (talk) 03:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

What did this user email you? You could be being scammed, or just confused. Drdr150 (talk) 15:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Any suggestion or help with a false claim made by another editor

I find it frustrating that a random editor, @Gheus, repeatedly claims that my edits resemble those of a paid editor. This accusation is not only false but also disruptive, as they frequently move the pages I created to draft space at their discretion. Is this how Wikipedia operates? Am I expected to constantly move pages back and forth? I want to clarify that I have never accepted payment for my contributions, nor do I have any connections to the subjects in question. Yafetabera (talk) 13:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I left a note on both of your talk pages. Both of you have been disruptive. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist: On Yafetabera's talk page, you wrote "In spite of your claims to the contrary, the promotional language you used in the article does give the impression that you have some sort of association with iFly Pro. You really need to disclose how you're associated with it." after Yafetabera said "I do not have any conflict of interest in my Wikipedia edits". What evidence do you have to assert that such an association exists? The note you left on Gheus's talk page makes no mention of the accusations, also made without evidence, to which Yafetabera refers above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how I can be clearer than what you quoted. Promotional editing suggests an association. That's a simple fact. I have encountered many instances in the past where someone insists they have no conflict of interest due to not being paid, but later admit to an association. I want the editor to clarify exactly the situation. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Promotional or biased editing isn't always a conflict of interest. However. you can still warn/remind users for making promotional edits without a conflict of interest. نوح^{فث   Let's Chat!} 22:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

In this case the waters were muddied by the context of paid editing. That's why I wanted clarification. I've seen all too often in the past, cases where an editor insists there's no conflict of interest because there's no compensation, but turns out there's an association after all. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I thought my content is alright and never thought it is promotional, I just tried to put facts as I found from the major news sites by paraphrasing them and have no any intention to promote the site at all. And as I said earlier I do not have any association with the subject except using the app frequently for my personal use. Yafetabera (talk) 16:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. And yes, you used promotional language. See Wikipedia:Words to watch. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I still dont have MOVE section to make my article live after 4 days and over 10 edits

Im not sure what is going on here. I have verified my email as well! help! CognitiveOP (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

As you are new to creating articles it's highly recommended to use the submission process. Ive added the appropriate information to allow you ro submit it. 331dot (talk) 00:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi CognitiveOP. As I write this, your account is still 46 minutes away from being 4×24 hours old.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't move your sandbox to article space yet, if I were you. It would soon get put back to draft. It needs some significant cleanup. As 331dot said, it's best you submit it for review once you think it's ready, because a thorough review would lead to improvements. You are in no hurry, there is no deadline. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

thanks so much for such a speedy reply! It received a good score and I now have the ability to submit it for review (that option wasnt there before I read this comment). I may simply take your advice, will they assist with these improvements? What areas do you personally see for improvement? CognitiveOP (talk) 05:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

"Assist" in the sense of telling you what you need to fix, probably. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Correct, we don't get (much) involved in co-editing at AfC, we either accept a draft, or highlight the reasons why it cannot be accepted. The author can obviously then engage in discussion with the reviewer directly or at the AfC help desk, to learn more. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CognitiveOP: I had a quick look at your sandbox draft, and the first thing that jumps at me are the sources. User-generated ones (Twitter/X, YouTube, Scribd, Medium) are generally not considered reliable. And Amazon is just a retailer; if you're citing a book, don't cite it via Amazon, cite it directly and with sufficient bibliographical detail, using the {{cite book}} template. As it stands, approx ¼ of the sources get flagged up as unreliable, which looks bad.

I will slightly qualify my point about YouTube: a reliable broadcaster, such as BBC or CNN, streaming their own content on their own official channel is okay. I didn't look at what your sources are, only saw that they're hosted on YouTube. They may or may not be fine to use. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:30, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

thanks so much for your reply!! The youtube sources are academic presentations from top NATO generals and leading academics in the field at either NATO conferences or prestigious military academies. None of the sources which are from youtube are random opinions; is this still unreliable? and I will absolutely change those book sources, thanks so much for the input! CognitiveOP (talk) 19:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@CognitiveOP: Those sources are most likely primary sources, which can be used in articles, but are limited in use and do not establish wikinotability unlike secondary sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:30, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I've had a quick look, and have some comments. The first sentence has a singular subject and a plural verb "Cognitive Warfare (CW) are ...". I'm unclear what the article is meant to be about - is CW a technique used in actual wars between countries, or is it another term for fake news? When a statement is followed by 14 references, it gives the impression that the writer is up to something dodgy. Maproom (talk) 06:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Redirect request not autoaccepted (as autoconfirmed)

It says that my redirect requests will be automatically accepted for autoconfirmed users, and I am an autoconfirmed user. Why is my redirect request not auto-accepted?

Thanks Dyssent (talk) 01:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dyssent, welcome to the Teahouse. I think you misunderstood something. Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects has had problems with disruptive editing so edits to that page must be reviewed before being displayed on the page, unless the editor is autoconfirmed. It doesn't mean the redirect requests are auto-accepted for autoconfirmed users. It merely means the posting of the request is auto-accepted. I admit the wording is confusing for that page but the "auto-accept" message is the same for all pages with this type of protection, and almost none of those pages are for requests which have to be accepted or declined. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh alright thank you Dyssent (talk) 10:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Also note that autoconfirmed users can directly create redirects, without having to use Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Confusing redirects

B/W redirects to a disambiguation page, but B/w redirects to A-side and B-side. Seems like an issue but maybe it doesn't matter? If it is, I'm not sure how to fix it. Seananony (talk) 02:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Seananony. That does look confusing. Maybe B/w should also redirect to B&W but it has 86 incoming links (written as b/w) from articles. They would all have to be retargeted if the redirect no longer goes to A-side and B-side#B/W. That's too much work for me when users can still reach B&W with the hatnote at A-side and B-side#B/W. There are probably few users who encounter both redirects and get confused by their difference. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

It could be an issue, but it might just be WP:DIFFCAPS. I notice that very few of the entries at B&W could be properly written in lowercase. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Why is the Wikidata link moved to the bottom?

Hello fellow editors, I suppose many Wikipedians frequently use the "Wikidata item" hyperlink, which has been on the right side near the top for a long while. I was disappointed today to see that has been moved, almost hidden away, closer to the bottom of the side bar. Now I have to scroll to see if there is an associated Wikidata item to an article. This is an essential tool for multilingual editing of Wikipedia. Is it possible to get it back near the top? Sauer202 (talk) 14:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

A related question: The "contributions" button is super-useful, but has also been hidden away in a sub-menu at the top of the page for a long time now. I miss it. However, the "user" page sits there big and shining, easy to click. I almost never visit my user page, but the contributions page however is super-useful for editors to be able to continue our work on refining articles, which I guess is why most of us are here. My hypothesis is that these two changes have made Wikipedia less productive. Is there any thought that goes into the placement of these buttons? Surely, looking at some usage metrics before moving buttons would be helpful to make the user interface more useful? Sauer202 (talk) 15:30, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Because appearances are so customizable, you may need to post a screenshot of what you're seeing. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I believe I run the stock thing and have not not customized anything. Anyway, I think the interface should be optimal for as many people as possible. The problem as I see it now is that the two most important buttons have been pushed far away in the stock menus: "My contributions", and "Wikidata item". Sauer202 (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi,@Sauer202, and welcome to the Teahouse. Most editors, (and in particular, most editors who frequent the Teahouse) have nothing to do with designing, implementing, or changing the user interface. I recommend posting this sort of question at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, I’m not new to Wikipedia, but I have a question. Currently, I’m the only active editor for the Myanmar project, as Myanmar has banned all versions of Wikipedia. I’ve created many articles without issues since I fully understand the notability guidelines. However, problems arose when I submitted one of my articles to the DYK process. An editor tagged {{Religious text primary}} on Pabhāvatī, even though there are secondary sources. The editor didn’t explain what they needed or try to resolve the issue with me, and they ignored the references I provided.

As a native, if someone clarified the reason for the tag, I could easily address it. Unfortunately, no one seems interested in explaining or resolving the issue; they only seem to be causing problems. Wikipedia is a community where things can be resolved collaboratively. What is the community’s stance on such inappropriate behavior? Hteiktinhein (talk) 14:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hteiktinhein: the tag was added by AirshipJungleman29. If anyone can explain why he added the tag, he can. Maproom (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hteiktinhein I now see that you sent this helpful message at WT:DYK; however, please note that adding pings without a signature, as you did there, does not work. You have said that the sources provide significant coverage and an explanation of the epic: if you could include the explanation in the article, rather than the narrative description currently found there, then the tag can be removed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hteiktinhein. Your article says in Wikipedia's voice that Pabhāvatī possessed unparalleled beauty in the world, with rays of light as if from the risen sun, so profound that it could illuminate seven chambers without the need for any lamp light without qualifications. You are discussing a mythical or legendary person as if she actually existed, which is ludicrous. Also, she seems to be a character in in a religious work called the Kusa Jātaka that has no English Wikipedia article. It is as if you wrote an article about a character in a novel without writing the article about the novel first. The entire article is written from a Fictional universe perspective, which is not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. WP:INUNIVERSE is the section of the Manual of Style that gives guidance for how to write about such topics. Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 your answer is really helpful to me, and I’ll give it a try. I really appreciate receiving such helpful answers from other editors. I'm glad you provided a clear explanation. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 Thank you. This is exactly the kind of clear answer I was looking for—finally, I got it.! Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

That link is broken – I think you meant {{religious text primary}}. (I'm using the handy {{template link}} to link to it.) jlwoodwa (talk) 15:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Any tips how to update a page without sounding like promotional purpose

Hi, I am trying to update a page and keep getting rejected. Any tips how to update a page without sounding like promotional purpose, and how to change the information that more accurately up to today. Dan H Barouch (talk) 16:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

You asked this at the Help Desk, please only use one forum at a time to avoid duplicating effort. Please also see your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 16:34, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

As explained on your Talk page, the article appears to be about you. You 'broke' the article by removing all references and adding a list of your publications. Wikipedia articles may have a section titled Select publications, with 5-10, but never everything. This is not a CV. Hence, reverted. Both of your efforts broke the neutral point of view rule. Given this is about you, per the guidance on your Talk page, you need to declare your COI on your User page, and then are limited to requesting article changes on the article Talk page. A non-connected editor will then evaluate your proposed changes. David notMD (talk) 06:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I added some of the content you wanted added to the Lead, as it was already in the body of the text - with references. And added NAM to the Societies, as the Wikilink to the list of members has your name for 2020. David notMD (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Verifying my content

Hi folks -- I just entered a whole page of information about my low-power FM radio station. I entered all the valid information about it and published it. But, it was immediately removed and switched "back" to the original information that was there - a simple redirect to our content provider organization. This doesn't really tell the story of the station, which, of course I know the most about since I helped start the station six years ago. So, how do I get the information that I'm entered validated so that it can take the place of the non-information "redirect" that is there now? 68.84.134.180 (talk) 18:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide the link or title of the page? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

WSJF-LP DannyGallagherJr (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please read conflict of interest. It would be best if you used the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft. Then, if accepted, the reviewer will replace the redirect with it. 331dot (talk) 18:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I spent about two hours entering the details about the station and used a template to enter all the FCC details also. All of that is GONE. Is there anywhere that my entry is "saved" off in Wiki or do I have to re-enter all of that information? DannyGallagherJr (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

It's stored in the edit history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WSJF-LP&action=history

Note that Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something, and is not a place for organizations to tell about themselves. A Wikipedia article about your station must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. It should also be written with a neutral point of view, and matter of factly(i.e. not telling how its "story" began). Articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject, but you may submit a draft if you have independent sources to summarize. 331dot (talk) 18:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

OK! I had the wrong idea about Wikipedia!! But, I'm trying to figure out how other radio stations got their Wiki pages. For instance, take a look at "WBMD" (another radio station in Baltimore, Maryland) -- who started that page? It must have been someone who had an interest in providing the information so searchers for it would find something. That's what I was trying to do. Anyway, I'll take your suggestion and try the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft and maybe it will be accepted. Thanks again for the help! DannyGallagherJr (talk) 19:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I read the "Conflict of Interest" pages - I did not realize that the only person that would have the basic information about the station and its history would have a conflict of interest in the authorship. But, I agree that I certainly do! The reason I started to write up this information is because I saw another page about another radio station in Baltimore and was intrigued that we should have one also for reference by anyone looking for information about our station. Thanks for pointing me to that information. DannyGallagherJr (talk) 19:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

DannyGallagherJr So if you are "the only person" with information about your station, it would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. An article will need to summarize what others unaffiliated with your station say about it. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of things that exist; an article is typically written when an independent editor takes note of a topic in independent sources and chooses to write about it, summarizing those sources. No sources, no article.

It's possible that this other article you saw is not appropriate either, and just has not beem dealt with yet; see other stuff exists. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those that are classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

OK! I think I get it! Of course, there are a few other people who would be able to write up the information, but they are all members of the volunteer team that support the radio station. Since we're the only parish-based radio station in the Archdiocese of Baltimore maybe that's a way to get the station information on Wikipedia. I'll think about what you said about "sources" and see if there is a reason to have the information about the station on Wiki, other than to just have the information available to Wiki users. Again, thanks very much for the information and help! I understand a lot better now. DG DannyGallagherJr (talk) 19:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Here is a simple overview of what we require for sources: Wikipedia:Golden Rule. If you cannot find multiple sources that meet each of those three criteria, then the subject cannot have a Wikipedia article. Merely existing and being unique isn't sufficient. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Formatting ok?

I recently made an edit on the Nick News article to include the recently created TikTok account and was wondering if my formatting was ok in this regard? Avienby (talk) 18:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Since the addition threw up an error message ("last= has generic name"), Avienby, it's safe to assume that no it wasn't OK. "News" and "Nickelodeon" aren't respectively the last and first names of any one person. (See this.) Just omit them. (Additionally, "www.instagram.com" isn't the name of a website; "Instagram" is.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Avienby can fix (|last= has generic name) example: Instagram. Thanks. (please  mention me on reply) TyphoonAmpil (💬 • 📝 • 🌀) 01:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

La Chaux-de-Fonds

Why is the Swiss town La Chaux-de-Fonds so-called? 2A02:1210:7200:1800:D6B:5E92:7A21:1BA2 (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Presumably you've read La Chaux-de-Fonds#History, which gives earlier versions of the name dating back to 1350? We now need to figure out what "la Chaz de Fonz" meant back then. There is of course an article in French Wikipedia, whose section Toponymie reads:

"La signification et l'origine du nom de la ville ne font pas l'unanimité. Le mot « Chaux » vient de la racine pré-indo-européenne calmis dont le sens est « plateau aride, maigre pâturage ». Le mot « fonds » semble inspiré du mot latin fons, fontem signifiant « source, fontaine ». L'explication la plus probable établit un rapport avec Fontaines (Val de Ruz). À l'origine, La « Chaux de Fonds » aurait donc été un pâturage d'été utilisé par les habitants de Fontaines¹².

Vers 1350, le lieu-dit s'appelle la Chaz de Fonz (Chaz qui désigne en patois vaudois les pâturages où le calcaire jurassique affleure et qui sont impropres à la culture, puis vers 1378 Chault de Font¹³. Vers 1420 Chauz de fonds et vers 1438 Chaud de Fond.

On trouve également l'orthographe La Chaux de Fons (sans tiret et sans la lettre d)¹⁴.

La commune est familièrement désignée sous le nom de La Tchaux¹⁵.

Son ancien nom allemand est Schalu¹⁵."

Google Translate renders this as:

The meaning and origin of the city's name are not unanimous. The word “Lime” comes from the pre-Indo-European root calmis, the meaning of which is “arid plateau, meager pasture”. The word “fonds” seems inspired by the Latin word fons, fontem meaning “source, fountain”. The most probable explanation establishes a connection with Fontaines (Val de Ruz). Originally, “Chaux de Fonds” would have been a summer pasture used by the inhabitants of Fontaines.

Around 1350, the locality was called Chaz de Fonz (Chaz which designates in Vaudois dialect the pastures where the Jurassic limestone outcrops and which are unsuitable for cultivation, then around 1378 Chault de Font. Around 1420 Chauz de fond and around 1438 Hot Bottom.

We also find the spelling La Chaux de Fons (without a hyphen and without the letter d).

The commune is colloquially referred to as La Tchaux.

Its old German name is Schalu."

{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 21:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Do index articles require citations

So I came across this page just now, and saw that it had no citations. I also saw, however, that it is an "index article". Do index articles (or whatever they are called) require citations? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 21:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@RedactedHumanoid No. Neither List articles or Index articles require citations, so long as the raison d’etre for them being listed there can be quickly discerned in the target pages (in this case: that they’re all called’Yews’. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I thought I made a simple edit but it seems there were other changes made as well

Here is the edit where it seems to have happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AlphaFold&diff=prev&oldid=1253214672

I added in a comma where I thought I comma was needed, and then I hit publish on the edit. However, when I checked the edit history, I saw that the edit I made removed 7 bytes from the article. I was confused when I saw that, since adding a comma should in theory always add one byte and not subtract anything.

So I looked at the difference between the two revisions, and I saw that a bunch of spaces were also removed. 8 spaces seemed to have been removed in total, which explains why the edit removed 7 bytes rather than adding 1 byte. At a quick glance, those spaces seem to me as redundant and unnecessary spaces, but I did not actually remove any of those spaces.

Could something like this happen automatically? Or could there be a different reason why it could have happened? If you notice something like that happening, is it better to do something about it or just let it be? Anonymous Libertarian (talk) 02:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

If you were using the visual editor, it might have automatically compressed unnecessary spaces within tags. Even with the source editor, I've noticed it automatically truncating extra blank lines at the end of the section, if there were extra blank lines there to begin with.

Just let it be. Nothing to be concerned about. It looks like a "feature" to remove unnecessary bytes. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

What changes do I need to make to this edit to push it as a live update?

I made https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ivar_Jacobson&oldid=1249133658 to the Ivar Jacobson Wikipedia page, but was told by Jay8g that it was "filled with promotional content". Aside from the summary section, all of my other changes were to update factually incorrect information. Please could someone let me know what changes need to be made to my edit in order to push this to the page? Many thanks 82.41.180.4 (talk) 08:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

At Ivar Jacobson you added a Summary subsection within Work, with flawed references. I recommend you repeat the other changes to the article, but not the Summary content. You also removed notifications that citations were needed. David notMD (talk) 08:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

On your Talk page, you were asked what, if any, connection you have to Jacobson. Please reply there. David notMD (talk) 08:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

That link is broken – I think you meant this edit. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

adding references

I've already succeeded adding 3 using Visual Editor. Since then, when I try to add more and click on 'publish' they keep disappearing. I've looked on 2-3 different help pages, and they all say do a 'save changes' - but I cannot see anything on the edit page which says 'save'. I also tried CTRL+S but unsuccessfully

Any advice? Hidegkuti6 (talk) 09:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

You made an edit to Ottó Komoly where you added references, then you made another edit where you wrote in the edit summary that you added references, but it actually removed your prior edit- I assume this was done inadvertently. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

the removal was accidental - I only tried to create more references. The original 3 remained, only the new citations disappeared entirely after clicking on 'publish' Hidegkuti6 (talk) 13:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

What 331dot said, does [3] help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Broken interlanguage link?

Hi. I just accessed Europe and I noticed that the languages are missing. I tried adding the interlanguage links and it returned the message that it is already linked on this page, which seems really weird to me: Turai

Is it the same for everyone? Wikiminds34 (talk) 14:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

It was an erroneous edit in Wikidata, which I have undone. (I don't think it was vandalism, but I'm investigating) ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! (hopefully it won't happen again :) - I just noticed it when I was translating an article to another language) Wikiminds34 (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

What seems to have happened is that "Turai" is both the Hausa for Europe and a Nigerian personal name. An editor partly hijacked the article ha:Turai so that it is now about the name instead of the continent (though they left the infobox alone).

Having done that, they linked it to the English article Turai, which edited the Wikidata item on Europe d:Q46 to point to that article instead of Europe, and Europe became unattached.

I've undone the change in Wikidata, and explained on the user's Wikidata User Talk and on d:WD:Interwiki Conflicts; but if I read the Hausa help page ha:Wikipedia:Kofan al'umma correctly, that Wikipedia has just been made read-only, so it may not be possible to correct or even report the original error. ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's read-only – that message was for September 25, not October 25. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I just realised that. I will attempt to notify the user on their User talk page in hawiki. --ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

And User:Gwanki has now correct this in hawiki, restoring ha:Turai to be about Europe, and creating a new article ha:Turai (suna)for the name, and linking it through a new Wikidata item to Turai (name). Thank you Gwanki. --ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

UCLA Summer Econ Programs Draft Declined

Hi everyone,

First time creator of a wiki so please bear with me I am working on this page and would liek to get it up to wiki standards. Id appreciate any input thank youb in advance: Draft:University of California Los Angeles - Economics Summer Programs RJG11 (talk) 16:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@RJG11 You have already had feedback on your draft when it was declined. I'm not a reviewer but the thing that immediately strikes me is that the draft says almost nothing about the topic of the title but instead focuses on the individuals (all of whom have Wikipedia biographies) who present the course. What little sourcing you have that meets the golden rules and is on-topic could easily be incorporated into a subsection at UCLA College of Letters and Science. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Accepted references

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1253351222&oldid=1253348994&title=BAAD Ilitazoulay (talk) 16:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ilitazoulay: I recommend submitting a new article through Articles for Creation rather than overwriting an existing redirect, as you did to BAAD. The latter borders on hijacking, and will likely be reverted unless your version clearly meets Wikipedia's standards for articles. On the other hand, an insufficient draft won't be reverted – it'll remain in draftspace where you can gradually improve it to meet those standards. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles has an RfC

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

I posted a notice about this previously, but would like more participation. I'd like to hear from people who know little about Korea or the romanization of Korean if possible. Thanks. seefooddiet (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Sfn error

I had blissfully forgotten how to use the Sfn and Harvnb systems and then I had to update an article that uses them. Could anyone please help me troubleshoot ref 118 in Sustainable energy? It is producing "Harv error: link from CITEREFIPCC2022 doesn't point to any citation." Many thanks in advance. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 20:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Clayoquot, the IPCC 2022 reference had a custom |ref= value defined. I updated the {{sfn}} template call to use the custom value here, which resolved the error. Folly Mox (talk) 19:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Amazing. Thank you so much, Folly Mox! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 20:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Guidance on whether pages on a given name should feature lists of people with that name

Is there any existing policy, consensus, or guidance on whether Wikipedia pages for a name (e.g Robert) should feature a list of all people (and fictional characters, etc.) with that name, indiscriminately? Brusquedandelion (talk) 00:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Is it an indiscriminate list or is it a directory of bluelinks to articles? The latter is an example of content typically found on a disambiguation page. But a DAB page would not have substantial content other than that directory (see MOS:DABPEOPLE). I think if there is content to be written about the name itself, that would be its own page, apart from a DAB of people with that name. But that leaves no place for non-bluelinked people of that name (but that also hints maybe they either shouldn't be listed or their articles should be written). DMacks (talk) 08:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

This is looking like a disembiguiation page which has been been analysed already above. Tesleemah (talk) 12:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Question about pinging

Hi, quick question, does linking to an user's talk page (not userpage) in discussions ping that user? Thanks. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 00:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

According to Help:Notifications#Mentions, it doesn't:

To mention another editor and trigger this notification for them, you need to:

• Create a new comment; modifying an earlier comment does not work.
• Link to their username
  • either directly as in [[User:Username]]
  • or using templates that link a user's name like {{u}} if they exist on your wiki (many use the {{ping}} or {{reply to}} templates).
• Sign your comment with ~~~ or ~~~~. Notifications will not be sent if your signature is embedded in a template, or has no link to your user page or user talk page.
• Not alter any text outside your own comment.
• Not exceed 50 mentions.

So only an userpage link works, or a template that links the userpage. – 2804:F1...DE:554A (talk) 03:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I see, thank you for the answer! Best, — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 06:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Add photo from Arabic Wiki

Hi. Can someone help me add this photo to this page, as I noted in this talk page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wahbah_al-Zuhayli#Photo The Arabic version has a profile photo, but the English one does not. That is all, thanks! DivineReality (talk) 03:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I replied on that talk page. Without the proper licensing, the answer is no. The source for that image is https://islamicsham.org/nashrah/3712 and as such we need to assume it isn't releasable under an acceptable free license and isn't in public domain. In fact, there is a copyright notice at the bottom of that page. It shouldn't be on the Arabic Wikipedia either. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review of Edits to Big Brothers Big Sisters of America Page

Hello Wikipedia Editors,

I recently made several updates to the Big Brothers Big Sisters of America (BBBSA) Wikipedia page to reflect current information and improve clarity. I aimed to ensure that all changes are supported by reliable sources and adhere to Wikipedia’s standards for neutrality and verifiability.

Would an editor be available to review these edits for accuracy and compliance with Wikipedia guidelines? I’d appreciate any feedback or recommendations for further improvement. Thank you very much for your time and assistance.

Thanks, Smonie12345 (talk) 05:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Smonie12345: I had to think how to reply to your request, which is a bit unusual, as we don't normally conduct ongoing review of each other's edits.

In a way, reviewing is left to the community at large: someone who comes across the article(s) you refer to will read the text, and if they feel like they can improve on it, they may edit it, including editing your earlier edits. If they really object to something you wrote, they may even revert your edits. At that point, you can then discuss this on the article talk page.

That said, we do also have a formal(ish) peer review process, and if you wish, you may request a review by going to Peer review.

Finally, if you have a specific question about a particular aspect of your edit, you can of course ask that here at the Teahouse. 'Small' questions tend to be easier to answer, and are likely to elicit swifter replies (than the few hours that you had to wait for this).

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Smonie12345, I have reverted your edits which are largely unreferenced, highly promotional and are indicative of a possible undisclosed paid editing relationship. Compliance with WP:PAID is mandatory, as is compliance with the three core content policies, Verifiability, the Neutral point of view and No original research. You should be summarizing published reliable sources that are independent of this organization, rather than parroting their own self-descriptions or winging it on your own. Cullen328 (talk) 09:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

how to create page for this website IAC News

I have crited the page many times but it has been removed this Website Name IAC News URL https://iacnews.com Samiul2.0 (talk) 13:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

That does not have any of the hallmarks of a reliable source, rather it mostly just seems to be non-expert summaries of press release content. I'm wouldn't say it's definitely LLM generated, but it's certainly not written by a skilled writer. Interestly, the 'about us' page claims that it includes 'local news' but doesn't say local to where.

Seperately to that, I can't see any indication of why it might be notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article in it's own right. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

(OP blocked as a sock.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

deletion

Hello, I spent a lot of time on a page Billy Cowie with lots (over thirty) references to books and websites. It was initially rejected and I worked on it some more and now it has simply been deleted without any discussion. why? Dancematters (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dancematters. It looks like the draft your talking about was deleted as promotional of an unnotable subject and possible created by an editor with a conflict of interest. If you do have a conflict of interest, it is in advisable to create the article yourself, and if you do create it, it has to be disclosed with the proper template listed here. I see you have already asked for a WP:REFUND here, but if you do get it, understand that articles here have to be neutral and sourced with reliable sources. cyberdog958^Talk 15:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I am trying to increase the woeful lack of choreographers on wikipedia and had planned a whole series on major figures who are not represented. the page in its second form was completely neutral and only relied on third party sources (over thirty) including five published books and 25 reputable websites. the subject is one of the most notable dance artists with performances spanning forty years in over thirty countires. my suspicion is that wikipedia editors have no experience of dance and its importance. I would be grateful if you could request to see the page and give a second opinion. Dancematters (talk) 15:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Editors do NOT have to have any experience of dance in order to review and decline a draft article on the topic. Theroadislong (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I was the editor who declined (not rejected) the original article and have already proffered advice to the editor on my talk page both in regard to their next steps as well as being WP:HOSTILE and WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS. I see from the editor's talk page that I did note it was promotional in my declination reasoning, but I am not sure who originally tagged it for deletion. Given WP:REFUND often does not return {{g11}}ed drafts, I have advised the editor on the best way to write an article in the future. With that said, no I am not an expert in dance or it's importance but I like to think I have a good grasp on WP:N and WP:NOT. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

it would seem that they can delete an article on a whim without a shred of evidence that it is not notable or promotional. it would be one thing to decline the article but allow further work on it but to delete it out of hand is pure arrogance. Dancematters (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

We can't prove a negative, it's up to you to prove they are notable. 331dot (talk) 16:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

And please be aware, Dancematters, that "notable" does not mean *important": in the context of Wikipedia, WP:Notable only means "has been written about at some length in several different pieces published by Reliable sources that are independent of the subject. You may have included sources that met all these criteria (only an admin can see them now), but the deletion suggests not, and the deleter has over 20 years' experience on Wikipedia. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

well I suggest you ask to take a look. "has been written about at some length in several different pieces published by Reliable sources that are independent of the subject" is exactly what I included!!!! why is the evidence hidden away even from you??? Dancematters (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Because if the 'evidence' is currently visible to anyone, it's only to WP:Admins (of which there are only a few hundred, as opposed to the 100,000-plus different people who make edits on Wikipedia every month). I am not an Admin; I don't even have a User account (although I have been editing here for over 20 years) because I don't need one for what I want to do (copyedit and offer advice).

As for looking myself, I choose not to get involved in disputes like this, and it has all the hallmarks of you not understanding Wikipedia's principles, rules and procedures, trying to do something outside them, and getting argumentative and hostile when it's not permitted. Bobby Cohn has offered you sincere advice on his Talk page; you might get somewhere if you follow it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 20:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

dear 94.6.86.81 if you choose not to get involved in disputes like this then why are you posting this??? I think if any action is hostile it is the taking down of a page without discussion or communication which surprisingly 'seems to be permitted'. Dancematters (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I think I did prove notable. Does discussion of the work in five major published academic books not sound notable. What about hundreds of performances in over thirty countries with extensive documented reviews and involving major dance performers (although you wouldn't know that if you don't need any knowledge of the subject matter). Also I wasn't even started on the references but I can't add those to a deleted page can I??? Dancematters (talk) 17:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dancematters: please don't ask the same question in multiple fora (here and at the AfC help desk), it replicates the efforts and creates unnecessary discussion forks. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Dancematters, take a look at Category:Choreographers and its subcategories, which show that Wikipedia has hundreds of biographies of choreographers. Are you Billy Cowie? If not, what is your relationship with him? The biggest problem with your draft is that it did not include references to reliable sources completely independent of Cowie that devote significant coverage to Cowie. Cullen328 (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I am a dance academic from the midlands. I have a list of over twenty UK choreographers who should be on wikipedia. I can see why now they are not with the obstacles that are put in the way. Have you seen the draft Cullen 238? If not what gives you the right to comment on the sources and if you have please let me know which of the thirty sources were not independent??? For example the first source reference on the page was to a book about Cowie published by Routledge with chapters by Carol Brown, Marion Kant, Donald Hutera, Claudia Kappenberg, Ian Bramley, Sondra Frahleigh, Valerie Briginshaw and Sherill Dodds. Anyone interested in dance would know that these are eight of the top dance academics and writers in the UK dance scene. Dancematters (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Dancematters, you say "I wasn't even started on the references". Then you were working on the draft backwards; no wonder it went badly. You should gather the references first, references to reliable independent sources that discuss the subject. Then write the draft basing it on what those sources saying. Writing what you like and then searching for references that support what you've written is so much harder. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

In the page there were over thirty independent references already. When I say I wasn't even started I am meaning that I have many more to add which I would have carried on doing if the page had not been deleted! Dancematters (talk) 22:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Dancematters, I am an adminstrator and yes I read your draft and the references available online. You clearly do not yet understand what "independent" means or what "significant coverage" means when it comes to acceptable sources for establishing notability on Wikipedia. Books written by Cowie and interviews of Cowie are not independent of Cowie. Passing mentions of Cowie and event listings that include his name do not constitute significant coverage. Like many new editors, you seem to have the misconception that adding more and more mediocre sources is a good thing. The fact is that having three excellent sources is vastly better than having 34 mediocre sources. When a reviewer is weeding through your sources and rightly concludes "This one is no good. That one is no good. This one is even worse" over and over, then the conclusion is that the author of the draft has failed to make a convincing case that the person is notable. Possibly he is notable but your draft did not show it. Cullen328 (talk) 23:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

two points. many of the textbook references are entirely independent and by significant authors. indeed the very first source reference on the page was to a book about Cowie published by Routledge with chapters by Carol Brown, Marion Kant, Donald Hutera, Claudia Kappenberg, Ian Bramley, Sondra Frahleigh, Valerie Briginshaw, Sherill Dodds. Anyone interested in dance would know that these are eight of the top dance academics and writers in the UK dance scene. secondly if it is felt that some of the references were inappropriate then surely the reasonable thing to do would be to point these out and to allow for the more acceptable references to be fleshed out. If wikipedia is serious about encouraging new contributors then summarily deleting pages with no discussion would seem to be entirely the wrong way to go about it. Dancematters (talk) 23:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Dancematters, you do not seem to realize that experienced Wikipedia editors know how to look things up. This page from Google Books shows that the book was copyrighted in 2006 by Liz Aggiss and Billy Cowie. The publisher says Liz Aggiss and Billy Cowie, known collectively as Divas Dance Theatre, are renowned for their highly visual, interdisciplinary brand of dance performance that incorporates elements of theatre, film, opera, poetry and vaudevillian humour. Anarchic Dance, consisting of a book and downloadable resources, is a visual and textual record of their boundary-shattering performance work. For you to try to claim that this book is somehow independent of Cowie is, frankly, ludicrous. Cullen328 (talk) 23:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The book was commissioned by Routledge who asked the academics I mentioned to write eight chapters which I imagine from reading them that they did so entirely independantly of Cowie's influence. These are serious independent major figures in the dance world and Routledge is one of the main academic publishers in the UK - not some vanity publisher!!!! as Routledge says a visual and textual record of their boundary-shattering performance work. This sounds like notability to me! Dancematters (talk) 00:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

You also failed to address my second (and in a way more important) point Dancematters (talk) 00:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

If you have acceptable references, it's time to put them up. Please tell your three absolute best sources that you have. Only three, please.

I'll add that the awards in the draft(I'm an admin) are meaningless towards notability as they lack articles themselves (like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award).. 331dot (talk) 00:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Dancematters, I'm not an administrator and so cannot see your draft and don't know what your references are like. I poked around a bit and found a couple of reviews of his books, and these would be independent sources:

• Shaw, Norah Zuniga. "Anarchic Dance, edited by Liz Aggiss and Billy Cowie with Ian Bramley. 2006. Dance Research Journal 41.2 (2009): 110-113
• Carr, Jane. "Billy Cowie, Poetic Dance: A Choreographic Handbook." Dance Research 41.1 (2023): 144-145.

Ditto if you can find significant published reviews of performances.

Cullen328, Cowie is one of the editors of Anarchic Dance and wrote a couple of chapters, as did his co-editor/collaborator, Liz Aggiss, so those chapters certainly aren't independent of him. But what is the policy on chapters written by others? Are they also considered non-independent, simply by virtue of being in a volume edited by the article's subject? Thanks, FactOrOpinion (talk) 00:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Dancematters, that book is not independent of Cowie, period, end of story. He and his partner hold the copyright, for heaven's sake. As for your second point, the onus is on you not on any other editor to write the draft properly. You have several highly experienced editors and administrators trying to explain our policies and guidelines, and you do not seem to be getting the message. Unless you internalize what we are telling you, you cannot possibly be successful on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

FactOrOpinion, those two references you suggested look promising. As for the chapters of the book written by others, I have my deep doubts. Cowie is the co-author and copyright holder, and must be assumed to have a major role in recruiting and selecting the chapter editors. Cullen328 (talk) 00:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, thank you for taking time to answer my question. Dancematters, these look like a couple of significant performance reviews of his work in Cuba: 1, 2 It's acceptable to use references in other languages. I tried looking up whether those news sources are reliable sources by WP's standards, but there's no information about them in the RSN archives. I found those by starting with reviews on Cowie's website and then looking for the originals, as citations to Cowie's website are not independent of him. It looks like he quotes from many reviews on his website, and quotes from those can help you find additional significant reviews elsewhere. FactOrOpinion (talk) 01:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

best place for sharing data on wiki

I have several EndNote (and potentially, Zotero) libraries on different topics (one is about Wikipedia itself and it has everything, that has been published about Wikipedia in peer-reviewed journals). I only included in these libraries full-texts, which have their copyright expired in the USA or are open-access-licensed under appropriate terms. I would like to share these libraries with other Wikipedians, but I cannot figure out what the proper mechanism for such sharing is. Any ideas? Walter Tau (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Walter Tau, if you'd like to share full texts of public domain and freely licensed documents, wikisource is probably the best place, you can see Wikipedia:Wikisource or s:Wikisource:What is Wikisource? for more details about the sister project. Alpha3031 (t • c) 23:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Walter Tau On the other hand, if you are asking about sharing the bibliographic data itself, I know Zotero groups is one way to do this. I just searched for publicly accessible Zotero groups mentioning Wikipedia and found Wikipedia Research, so it might be worth joining that group (or searching for others) and sharing your data that way rather than duplicating efforts. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 01:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@User:ClaudineChionh thank you all for your replies. My problem with Zotero is, that I can easily transfer the biblio-data from EndNote to Zotero, but I have not been able to figure out, if it possible to transfer attached pdfs/epubs from Endnote to Zotero. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Tau (talk • contribs) 01:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't help you there – I haven't touched Endnote in over twenty years. I would also be extremely cautious about making pdfs or epubs easily available in downloadable form if you are not the author. However, many of us do participate in the Resource Exchange where those of us with access to research resources can provide them to other editors for supporting their work on specific Wikipedia articles. Is that the kind of use case that you have in mind? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 04:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@User:ClaudineChionh thank you again for your help. I will try Resource Exchange. I am well aware of Wiki's copyright policy. I tuned the pdf download function in EndNote to limit it to publications, that either have their copyrights expired in the USA or are published under wiki-compatible attribution-only OA licenses.Walter Tau (talk) 10:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

can't this be misused by individual ideology and further mislead other allegedly

I do not understand the whole point of this make me understand something 103.186.199.91 (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, not understanding what you're asking. Are you asking whether Wikipedia could be misused? Valereee (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Page for Art Studio

Hello, I would like to create a page for an art studio in Boise Idaho. It houses international artists through it's artist residency program and one of them Rory Pilgrim Rory Pilgrim won the honorary Prix de Rome (Netherlands), for his work The Undercurrent which was developed during an artist residency at MING Studios in Boise, Idaho. Additionally, MING was awarded the Cultural Ambassador award by the Mayor of Boise. ([4]https://idahonews.com/news/local/ming-studios-named-as-boises-next-cultural-ambassador)

I mentioned these things in my article write up and was quickly shut down because it is deemed as self-promoting. That was not my intention at all, I don't even work there, just know people that are involved with the organization and thought to bring their work to Wikipedia.

If you could please advise or guide me on the best way to create an article or even have someone else to create one, I would greatly appreciate it. Tymelyne (talk) 20:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Tymelyne, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First, it will help you if you drop the social media idea of "a page for", and instead think in terms of "an article about".

Secondly, you probably won't want to hear this, but: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft..

Thirdly, absolutely the first task in creating an article is to find several sources each of which is all three of reliably, independent, and containing significant coverage of the subject (see WP:42). Nothing written, published, commissions, or based on the words of the the subject or their associates is relevant.

If you cannot find at least three such sources, you should give up at that point, because the subject is probably not notable in Wikipedia's sense, and you will be wasting all effort you spend on it thereafter. ColinFine (talk) 21:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Tymelyne (talk) 03:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

"If you could please advise or guide me on the best way to create an article or even have someone else to create one...." Tymelyne, you have unwittingly invited people to fleece you. Before they offer to do so, see Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. -- Hoary (talk) 22:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

A few red flags I saw:

1. Is there any reliable sources on the art studio.
2. Are they paying you/telling you what to say.
3. It sounds like you may have a COI

With the last one in mind, do you have any connection with the art studio? If you even have a friend at the art studio, that could be a COI.

Also if this art studio is notable then someone else may write about it. And it may not be a in the art studio's best interest to have an article about them. As not so nice things may end up there if the is references to back it up. Once things are there with reliable sources to back it up, it will be hard to remove. As they do not "own" the article. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 00:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I am not being paid by them, but I do know them so looks like I might not be the best person for this.

Can you please confirm if the below is considered a reliable source? https://idahonews.com/amp/news/local/ming-studios-named-as-boises-next-cultural-ambassador - there are more articles like this from newspapers.

There is also a chapter dedicated to them in the book “100 things to do in Boise” https://a.co/d/dwWqayD Tymelyne (talk) 03:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

So according to WP:RS it would be reliable. The book would not be reliable though as that is more of the Authors opinion.

You are not the best one to write it, not because of your time spent here or anything else then, you will have a hard time sounding unbiased. Just cause you know them, you will know thinks that are not needed, there for sounding like an ad. Which will cause the article to be deleted.

I would not be against you making the article, but I think you need to learn some things first, and that will take time, lots of time. I am still learning myself, and though I have been on for a week, I am still learning new things by the day. I have heard that it can take months to learn enough about WP to write a good article, and I agree. Think about it have you read even all the rules here? I have not that is for sure.

So just as a suggestion: Make a sandbox of it to play around in as you learn. Once you have been here for a few months and you think it is fairly good. Have a unrelated editor read it, someone that has been here a few years. Take what they say and add what they suggest. Repeat this until one of them says that you should add it. Don't push to much though as that can get you trouble.

Anyways if you have not fallen asleep, thank you for reading me lengthy answer. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 05:33, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Nope, still awake :D, thank you for the time and all the feedback, it helped a lot and I really appreciate it! Tymelyne (talk) 05:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, @Tymelyne. Sheriff U3 has supported my very strong suggestion that you get a significant amount of experience before you try to create an article - any article. When you do so, your Conflict of Interest may make the task harder for you, but you are not forbidden from trying it, as long as you use the articles for creation mechanism - but I would advise any editor to do this anyway, until they have successfully created several articles, right through to being accepted into the main article space and surviving New pages patrol.

If you are convinced that the studio meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then you are free to create a draft - to be frank, your chances of enrolling somebody else to do so are small, so you might as well - but you will need to remember that not one thing that you know, think, or believe about the studio will be relevant to the article unless you can find it in a reliable published source, and almost nothing that the people associated with the studio say or want to say will be relevant to the article unless you can find it in a reliable published source wholly unconnected with the studio. (Do you see why knowing them may make it harder for you?) ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

OXILOCOPIOS EPOCA VIETNAM

OXILOCOPIOS  EPOCA  VIETNAM US NAVY ! ( AN/USM-339 ) . 2001:818:E778:3A00:C5C7:4BFB:2441:856F (talk) 22:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure what your question is but, Weapons of the Vietnam War may have an answer. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Are these vandals the same person?

I noticed a weird pattern of editors claiming Khmer topics as Thai.

Kromla

2001:FB1:D5:8EF0:92A2:CAA2:62A4:29FC

I remember seeing more but I can't find them. TansoShoshen (talk) 00:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi!

We have something here on Wikipedia called CheckUser to investigate if two editors are the same, but for privacy reasons CheckUsers (the people who do this) won't link an editor to an IP address.

Unfortunately, it is common for people to abuse multiple accounts (or an account + an IP) to appear as multiple people, but (even if it is true that those users are the same) they might just have forgotten to log in.

If the information they are adding is unsourced and incorrect, feel free to revert it, and you might like to open up a discussion on their talk page or the talk page of a relevant article. MolecularPilot 02:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

If you believe they're the same for whatever reason, go to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations and open a case. Don't assume they'll figure it out. You'll need to make a clear case why you think they're the same person. You won't get a confirmation connecting IP to user names. That's one of those things that's protected and not given out to users. Graywalls (talk) 06:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Question about harassment

If you were in my situation, how would you respond to harassment and false charges on this talk page, as well as the cyberbullying in the video's comment section? I tried ignoring this for a while but the harassment has become too much. Wolverine X-eye ^{(talk to me)} 06:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Wolverine X-eye:, I'm not really seeing harassment? That looks like it was started by a legitimate content dispute turned turf war. Something about failed verification on how whales signal or communicate asking how the existing sources directly verify whatever claims under question. See WP:BURDEN. As for the dive-depth, the first paragraph in WP:V explains how to handle when reliable sources disagree. If there's a disagreement over which sources are reliable and which ones are not, WP:RSN is the place to discuss that. What goes in and what doesn't is ultimately based on consensus, but an article would never pass FA if it has verifiability failure. Not every one of it might be noticed, but if someone actually go through the source, and say they can't verify it, those wanting to include it must prove it.

You can't really stop someone from saying things you don't like in YouTube comments anymore than you can stop people from talking about topics you don't like out in the public. Graywalls (talk) 12:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Help

Can you please help me Blake Hale (talk) 07:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

What help are you seeking? 331dot (talk) 07:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

How to create with Sandbox Blake Hale (talk) 07:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Create an article draft? Which subject? Sam Sailor 07:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

About myself Blake Hale (talk) 07:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Your account is less than 24 hours old, it's not advisable you start creating articles right away talk more of creating about yourself. You can read the guidelines to Help:editing then start gradually. Tesleemah (talk) 16:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

If you're attempting to create a draft article, it's often better to use the Article Wizard. Be advised that creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia; it is highly recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. I would also suggest using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 07:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

It is inadvisable and highly discouraged to attempt to write about yourself, please read the autobiography policy. To be successful, you would need to forget everything you know about yourself and only write summarizing what independent reliable sources choose on their own to say about you and what makes you a notable person as defined by Wikipedia. Most people have great difficulty doing that. 331dot (talk) 07:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding categories or sections to living person bio such as "Early Life"

How does one add categories or sections? Is there a difference?

Thank you,

W Wenncesslas (talk) 08:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

If you're editing the source code, then in order to add a section titled "Early life" -- don't also capitalize the "L" -- write == Early life == at the far left of a new line, and start the text of this section on the next line. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Sections are not categorized. Entire articles are categorized based on the defining characteristics of the topic. If a notable author and playwright also played chess as a hobby, and chess was occasionally and briefly mentioned as a sideline activity by reliable sources, then we categorize that person as an author and playwright, but not as a chess player. Cullen328 (talk) 09:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear Cullen388,

Thank you--obviously, I'm new and need all the help I can get.

Warmly,

W

```` Wenncesslas (talk) 17:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Section is like you adding a sub-topic to an article, you add it as described by @Hoarywhile Category is usually added at the end of an article, it's to show the class an article belong to.

Example in writing about an Article A, you can create a section Activities by adding ==Activities== using the source editing and to add a section, You can add one automatically using an automated tool, or you use this template [[Category:Food]]. See this article Ifeoluwa Ehindero for a perfect example of both, Example of a section is Political Career and example of a category added here is [[Category:Nigerian politicians]] you might need to change to source editing to see how they were utilised clearly. Tesleemah (talk) 16:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear Tesleemah,

Thank you for the advice. I would love any sort of mentorship you might be able to provide to this new editor; my recent article Marie Tomanova, or Draft: Marie Tomanova, was deleted and I am a tad confused by this action. I would love help to make it through the hoops.

Warmly,

W

```` Wenncesslas (talk) 17:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Missing Wiki updating of user contributions

After a gap of several months since my last editing, I made a number of edits about 12 hours ago. Yet they’re not shown at my user page. I don’t recall such time gaps before — or am I wrong and it takes much longer? Augnablik (talk) 08:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I see edits made a couple of days ago, e.g. this one. (Are these really "grammatical"? I'd call them "orthographic".) -- Hoary (talk) 09:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

If it was in fact a couple of days ago rather than last night, my question about how long it takes to update our number of edits would be even more relevant.

Yes, I’d call those edits grammatical … Augnablik (talk) 10:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Augnablik. The only circumstance I can think of where an edit you have made does not appear in your contributions list is if the article you edited has since been deleted. Is that possible? ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, I see one recent contribution at Commons, which is not tracked at English Wikipedia. Your xtools reports show zero deleted edits both here and at Commons. Your global contribs show only those two projects. Are you certain you were logged in when you made the edits? Folly Mox (talk) 20:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

OP removed this thread after the first three posts (restored next diff by 31.96, who added their reply), so this is probably  Done somehow. As far as I'm aware, edit count updates immediately at both Special:Contributions and Special:Impact, and is unaffected by REPLAG. Folly Mox (talk) 20:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Logo not changing

I recently updated a logo on Wikimidia Commons for the Kehot Publication Society logo and on the page for Kehot Publication Society when you click on the logo it still shows the original non updated one. will this fix by itself or am I missing something? YisroelB501 (talk) 09:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@YisroelB501 By "original", do you mean File:Kehotlogo.jpg? If so, since I see File:Kehot Logo.png as leadimage at Kehot Publication Society, I wonder if your problem is WP:BYPASS related. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

The problem is now fixed but before you saw it as the leading image but when you click it it went to the original image by original I mean the logo that was uploaded a few days ago (10/20/24) that I updated on (10/27/24) it showed the image from (10/20/24) and not the one I just updated YisroelB501 (talk) 12:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

How to add quotes to a source

Hey, I'm still new to this whole Wikipedia thing, but I came across a reference with a quote on it and am wondering if I can do the same thing myself. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you :D ThePainkiller90 (talk) 12:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@ThePainkiller90 Specifically WP:FOOTQUOTE. We have a saying that "quotes require citations but citations do not require quotations". In other words, if you place a quotation into the text of an article, you must provide a citation for it. However, if you paraphrase a source (as you will mainly be doing when writing articles), you should add a citation but don't need to quote in that footnote the exact text you paraphrased. If the source is in a foreign language, be aware that templates such as {{cite news}} include both parameters |quote= and |trans-quote= which can help readers see a translation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Help me revert Clock to last best version

I sometimes review recent changes for possible vandal using Wikipedia:Twinkle and i noticed unexplained content removal on Clock under revision , am however unable to revert using TW there's about [dot] com link that keeps getting triggered for possible blacklist. Can some kind wikipedian with enough permission kindly restore the page to last good version.

Thanks in advance! Nisingh.8 (talk) 19:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the alert, Nisingh.8. Alith Anar has kindly sorted out the mess and left the conventional warning on the perpetrator's talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 21:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you ! Nisingh.8 (talk) 07:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

A question about a page that I have created

Hello, I hope you are doing well. I have created a page ( Ario Nahavandi ) and I followed Wikipedia guidelines carefully ( I hope so) . however I am not sure if there are any issues with this page or not and if this page it is fully published?

Any advice and tips will be appreciated, Mant thanks xx Lanak20 (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

It is poorly sourced IMDb for instance is not a reliable source, the article has been sent to WP:AFD. Theroadislong (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Paywalls on newspaper articles

Draft:John James (businessman and philanthropist)

I'm aware that a lot of the newspaper articles I have referenced (and which I have physical copies of so I know they exist) are essentially behind paywalls - how does that work with reviewers/readers being able to verify these articles exist? Jjarchivist (talk) 19:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

That is not a problem but Wikipedia should not be used to memorialise someone. Featuring in Who's who confers zero notability and you have not shown that they pass WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 20:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

See WP:PAYWALL. Sources do not need to be free or easy to access. 331dot (talk) 20:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Millatry

where can I find the list of medics in the Korean war in the U.S.A. air force? Rryyttoorr (talk) 21:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Probably not in an encyclopedia; so, as the question is one of history, you'd be better off asking it at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. (If you do so, you might reword it more clearly. I'd guess that you mean "United States Air Force medics during the Korean war", but I'm not at all sure.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Moving a page back to previous naming? (minor naming change -capitalization)

This page List of members of the National Academy of Sciences (computer and information sciences) was previously moved from List of members of the National Academy of Sciences (Computer and information sciences) per capitalization. However, all others List of members of the National Academy of Sciences do not follow this, and instead have the first word of the parenthetical capitalized. It's minor and doesn't matter much, but I'd like them all to be the same. The 1st move was in 2010 and I don't expect it to be controversial. I think I know how to move it and I have the permissions I think - but since the original page still exists as a redirect, I don't know if just moving it back to the old name would cause an issue. Can I go ahead and do it or are there extra steps I should take because the page I'd be moving to already exists? Cyanochic (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I suppose that standardizing the (non-) capitalization here would be a good idea. But why standardize to the capitalized version and not away from it? (The reason for capital-C-"Computer", etc, isn't clear to me.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I would lean to standardizing to the capitalized version is because the other 30 lists do capitalize the first letter. The subfield category in parentheses is titled by the National Academy of Sciences (i.e. not a wikipedian decided category), so the capitalization does make sense to me too. But I don't really have a preference either way, I'd just like it to be consistent. Cyanochic (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Basically it seems a standard is already in place, this one was just moved away to a non-standard for some reason. Cyanochic (talk) 22:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I've capitalized it. -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Elen Smile

Please explain why the Elen Smile page was rejected again after revision? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elen_Smile

I am thoroughly familiar with the guidelines and followed them carefully, double-checking all sources, which are reliable. What’s wrong? Please help. M.krakovets (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

You have asked the same question here Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk where it has been answered. Theroadislong (talk) 22:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Declined is less severe than Rejected. David notMD (talk) 15:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The question of using YouTube links still needs clarification and discussion. Personally, I consider them a reliable source since they come from the official channels of TV networks and shows on YouTube. M.krakovets (talk) 17:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Where to report problematic pages

Hi, I'm a fairly new editor and have been helping out at the Task Center, which means I've been seeing a lot more random pages than I used to. What should I do when I come across a page which is clearly problematic (such as Shane Marshall or Badjiri language). Is there somewhere I can report pages like these so an admin can put a maintenance tag on them? Blackballnz (talk) 02:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Blackballnz: Thanks for pitching in! You should be able to tag articles yourself, unless they are protected. If they are stubs, like Badjiri language, it can be helpful to sort them into one or two stub categories to help interested editors find and perhaps expand them. For other maintenance issues, browse the Template index to find the most appropriate tags. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 02:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Blackballnz, a useful resource may be WP:TMV - it has lots and lots of tags you can use to draw attention to issues. Happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 15:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Is there a place where people can be paid to create articles?

I really want there to be an article about my school, Brisbane South State Secondary College, but it doesn't exist yet. I want to know if there's a way you can pay someone to make an article. Does anyone know where? Zion @InformZion (talk) 02:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@InformZion Link: Draft:Brisbane South State Secondary College. Ampil <sup>(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)</sup> 03:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You cannot pay someone to make an article, and if anyone claims to be able to do so, it's a scam. LilianaUwU <sup>(talk / contributions)</sup> 03:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Really, LilianaUwU? Where did you read this? -- Hoary (talk) 03:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I mean, you could pay someone to make an article. But it's highly likely to be a scam. LilianaUwU <sup>(talk / contributions)</sup> 03:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

There are fully disclosed paid editors here in good standing. Most are just company representatives who make suggestions on talk pages, but I have run across a few good editors who do accept payment and are up front about it. Public relations agencies who are signatories to WP:PRCOM edit for pay and abide by policies. The ones who advertise their services with cold emails, however, are typically scammers. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Your expression of interest in paying somebody to write about the school is very likely to arouse the interest of people who are scammers, incompetent, or both. Congratulate yourself on not having enabled email. -- Hoary (talk) 03:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@InformZion: Welcome to the Teahouse. Even if you do find someone willing to improve the existing draft, you're already complicating the process.

• By announcing you're offering compensation for edits, anyone who's aware of this (especially Articles for Creation reviewers) is going to look at any new editors working on the draft with suspicion, as unpaid disclosed editing is something Wikipedia veterans take very seriously.
• Anyone editing the draft for monetary compensation must, as the aforementioned point mentions, declare their paid relationship to you (or a related party) and will be limited in what can be done if the draft is accepted and moved into mainspace.
• Please be aware that the article, should it be accepted into the encyclopedia, is not guaranteed to last forever. It may meet criteria for deletion and be deleted.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Worse, if there's ever any especially bad news which involves the institution (incident, crime, scandal, finances, sub-optimal leadership), you can bet folks will look at the Wikipedia page, expect it to be up-to-date, and add links and speculation. You'll never be able to quash it, no matter how many sources you find to refute the facts. It gets out of control of administration, which often ends badly at an institution. BusterD (talk) 04:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll add one more point, seeing as I was the one who declined Draft:Brisbane South State Secondary College. I declined it because the draft cites only the school's own website as a source, and therefore offers no evidence that the subject is notable per WP:ORG. This is the first and most fundamental hurdle anyone attempting an article must overcome. Unless sources can be found which demonstrate notability, the draft cannot be accepted, no matter who is working on it; no amount of editing can fathom notability out of thin air. This may be what LilianaUwU was also alluding to, when they said that if someone claims to be able to produce a viable article before even researching its sources they are either leading you down the proverbial garden path, or don't know what they're talking about; possibly both. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft assessment

The submitted draft "Draft:Global Capacity Building Coalition" at xtools is shown as "N/A" instead of "Draft". is it concerning.? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 03:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

No it isn't, Perfectodefecto. (But a suggestion: Read up on using a source more than once.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Many Thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 04:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

list of blacklisted websites

where can i find a list of all sites that are blacklisted for using as referances on wikipidia YisroelB501 (talk) 05:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources provide the information that you're after, YisroelB501? (Note that there cannot be an exhaustive list of websites unsuitable for citing, as new examples of such websites can and do emerge at any time.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

how do I use that link you gave me. I hate navigating through wikipidia help articles. I want a list of some sort that I can search in a website and it will come up if its blocked. YisroelB501 (talk) 07:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You can search the above page. You might also be interested in m:Spam blacklist. Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup> 09:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

tysm @Shantavira| YisroelB501 (talk) 23:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Who am I?

I sometimes edit Wikipedia on a tablet using the Wikipedia app, mostly as an IP. The app offers no visible way to log in, and if I use Special:userlogin it appears to make no difference. How can I tell "who I am" without making a nothing-edit somewhere, which I don't want to do? 194.223.39.3 (talk) 06:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I suggest skipping the app and instead using your browser, and (unless perhaps it's an unusually tiny tablet) going to the foot of any Wikipedia article and there opting for desktop mode. -- Hoary (talk) 07:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the app is great for reading, not so great for editing IMO(though many do edit successfully with it) 331dot (talk) 09:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The app is more readable on my device and is good enough for the small edits I do. I would still like to know some quick way of finding out if I have succeeded in logging in, ie: who I currently am (in the app). Isn't there some keyin? 194.223.39.3 (talk) 10:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Or something that goes to "my" Talk page, without having to know who "my" is? 194.223.39.3 (talk) 10:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

There are multiple apps. The official Wikipedia app for iOS has a user icon at the top right. If you are logged in it shows the username. If you are not logged in it gives a login option. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Special:MyTalk does exactly that – everyone who clicks on that link gets sent to their own talk page. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The Android app on my tablet does not have those icons or links. But thanks, jlwoodwa, for the keyin which is just the sort of solution that I was hoping for. Unfortunately, Special:MyTalk fails in the app (just like Special:userlogin), but using this as a suggestion and keying in Special:my offers the dropdown Special:MyPage/sandbox (the ONLY "my" option) which also can't actually go to my (non-existent) sandbox, but it DOES tell me whose sandbox it can't go to. So that answers my question. Thanks everyone. 194.223.39.3 (talk) 08:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Request for Feedback on Sandbox Drafts

Hello everyone,

I'm currently working on two articles in my sandbox that I’d like to submit for review, but I’d appreciate some feedback from experienced editors before taking the next step. I want to ensure the articles meet Wikipedia’s standards and guidelines for neutrality, verifiability, and reliable sourcing.

I’d be grateful if anyone could take a moment to review these articles and provide constructive feedback on how to improve them. Specifically, I’m looking for advice on content clarity, neutrality, and whether my sources are adequately reliable.

Thank you so much for your time and assistance!

Боки ☎ ✎ 08:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. The best way to get feedback is to submit for a review, instead of asking for a pre-review review which just duplicates effort(different reviewers may see different things, too); I can say looking at the first line the word "leading" needs to be removed as that is not a neutral point of view. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@331dot Thank you for the advice. I’ve submitted articles for review before, but multiple requests have been denied without clear explanations on specific improvements needed. That’s why I’m seeking feedback first this time. I appreciate the suggestion regarding the use of “leading” in the first line, and I’ll make the necessary edits to maintain a neutral tone. Any additional feedback would be greatly appreciated! Боки ☎ ✎ 08:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

If you find what the reviewer says unclear, you should ask them directly on their user talk page about it. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You have two drafts in your one Sandbox User:Боки/sandbox. Create a Sandbox2 and move the second to that. David notMD (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The first draft is just blatant advertising, do you have a conflict of interest by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 08:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Nekretnine.rs sounds to me like a website. But maybe it's a company and/with both a database and a website. I doubt that it's necessary to call it both a "portal" and a "platform". -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Time zone stamping

Which time zone are our Wiki edits and messages stamped with? Augnablik (talk) 11:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, (i) post a message somewhere, signing it with four consecutive "~"; (ii) note the time stamped on the message; (iii) note the time that your computer or phone gives you; (iv) examine File:World_Time_Zones_Map.svg and figure it out. -- Hoary (talk) 11:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

or read the abbreviation in parentheses in the timestamp! 176.0.159.0 (talk) 11:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

No, really? Never thought of that! -- Hoary (talk) 12:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

— Okay, @Hoary, I'm testing out your idea here, writing a message to see what time is stamped on it. "Testing, testing" ... "this is only a test" ... Augnablik (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

— Seems to be London time. Augnablik (talk) 12:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

— Incidentally, I used timeanddate.com to look up the time zone, as I occasionally do to set up Zoom meetings. Since I could have done that experiment without asking the question that I did, I guess I was a little lazy — but I was doing something else at the same time the question came to mind and I figured someone knowledgeable would quickly swoop in with the answer. Augnablik (talk) 12:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik You can set your time zone preference at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup> 13:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thank you, @Shantavira. Augnablik (talk) 14:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

By default Wikipedia, being a global encyclopaedia, uses Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), which is "London time" when the UK is not using British Summer Time.

I believe it's possible to change a setting to show your local time instead, but I've no idea how as I've never wanted to do so. [Aaand Shantavira told you how while I was typing!] {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 13:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to you too for replying, @Tesleemah — if that’s your correct Wiki handle. That’s what came up for you instead of 94.6.86.81. Augnablik (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Tesleemah is my username but I'm not 94.6.86.81 Tesleemah (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, I'm on a dynamic IP (not by choice) which is currently 94.6.86.81: doubtless Tesleemah may have had it previously, and likely someone else will next week; that's why I use the identifier you see in curly brackets. (And yes, I know I could create a User account, but for the last 20-odd years I have chosen not to.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The default time zone is (UTC) Tesleemah (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: English is global so the English Wikipedia uses UTC but a wiki can change it with mw:Manual:$wgLocaltimezone. Many other Wikipedia languages use the time zone of the main area where the language is spoken. The time zone of Wikimedia wikis is set with wgLocaltimezone in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. enwiki is not listed since we use the Wikimedia default UTC. A MediaWiki setting at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering can change the displayed time in log entries like page histories and user contributions. It doesn't affect time stamps in signatures which just become part of the normal page content when the edit is saved. The English Wikipedia has made a gadget at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets: "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time". It runs JavaScript in your browser to change the time after the page has loaded. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Timezones are a little complicated across the breadth of Wikimedia installations. According to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Timezone, each wikimedia instance can establish its own timezone default. Still looking for documentation of the English Wikipedia default setting (documentation vs. inference from observation). --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ceyockey: I'm not sure what you would accept as documentation. The actual setting of the time zone is in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. It says 'wgLocaltimezone' => [ 'default' => 'UTC', and then sets another value for many wikis but not enwiki. The first time zone option at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering says "Use wiki default (UTC)". Help:Log#Using a log says: "The date and time of the logged action. The time is UTC by default on Wikipedia; registered users can change this in their preferences." It's an unprotected page so anybody could change it but it may be a hetter fit to "documentation" than other options. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

This is perfect. Thanks. The UTC timestamp is based on the absence of the EN wikipedia in the custom/local list. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Religious

Should people be religious? 199.7.157.41 (talk) 15:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question regarding how to edit or use Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing on mobile is broken, please help roll back a mistake I made!

I was just trying to fix grammar on the Magic: The Gathering Wikipedia page and ended up inadvertently deleting a good portion of it, is there any way I can revert this mistake and avoid it in the future? Avienby (talk) 18:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Avienby: I have restored the deleted content. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir: Thanks a lot! I wish editing on mobile wasn't as broken as it is currently so I could edit more without issue Avienby (talk) 18:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Avienby: You can check your edit before saving it with the Review your changes button. To revert a mistaken edit, first find the diff for your edit (either in your contributions or the page history), and then undo it. I'm not familiar with mobile editing, but I think you'll need to enable advanced mode to have this option. You might find the essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing to be helpful. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

LaTasha Barnes article--DYK

I wrote a hook for the LaTasha Barnes article that was rejected, and I'd like to try again. I'm not sure how to submit again. I tried a new entry but it didn't save, since apparently I'm supposed to go back to my original page. How do I find that submission and try again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes Wroliver (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Wroliver, when I looked through the list of your contributions, I quickly found Template:Did you know nominations/LaTasha Barnes. -- Hoary (talk) 22:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

If Template:Did you know nominations/LaTasha Barnes is still open when you get there, you can comment to ask if you can have more time to work on it. Courtesy pinging @Sdkb, so they know @Wroliver's question on the latter's user talk has been answered here. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

Could I please have another day to submit an improved hook for the LaTasha Barnes article?

Wroliver (talk) 22:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Wroliver, you need to comment at the link Hoary and I provided above. If I may be blunt, commenting here at the Teahouse is useless. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks--good to know! Wroliver (talk) 23:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Portmanteau

Hey all - I'm trying to create a new wiki page with a portmaneau that doesn't exist and I keep getting flagged because I don't have references. I've tried to reference the roots of the portmaneau, but there are literally no references to the word itself, because I just made it up, so I feel I'm going in circles with the reviewers. Any help would be appreciated. I'm working with Theroadislong - hopefully we figure this out. Goobysnack (talk) 20:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Goobysnack, the major points you'lll need to be aware of are that Wikipedia is not a dictionary and it is not for things made up one day either. -- D'n'B-t -- 20:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Goobysnack. Unfortunately, if the concept hasn't been written about in reliable, published sources, then it's not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia because it fails our notability requirements. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Huh. I didn't know we couldn't add new words like portmanteaus. Okey dokey. Goobysnack (talk) 20:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Goobysnack The proper thing to do when your draft has been Rejected is to ask that it be deleted. Put Db-author at the top, inside double curly brackets {{ }}. David notMD (talk) 22:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Want to create a small essay; what should I do?

I've read WP:Essays, but I'm unsure where to start. Do I make a draft, make it on my userpage or something else?

hi (talk) 00:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@NotABlanker: I think making a subpage of your userpage makes the most sense. You can look at Category:User essays to see how other editors have done it. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:54, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Request help and feedback

Hey there,

I'm quite new to Wikipedia. Started to write an article about an old good friend of mine, with whom I studied at university and then worked together for a long time in investments.

I recently bumped into him in Singapore. We had a pleasant conversation about the past, and he mentioned what he's been up to (electronics, relocating to Singapore etc.). I looked him up online and saw that he even has a Hungarian Wikipedia page (https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szab%C3%B3_Barnab%C3%A1s_Gy%C3%B6rgy_(k%C3%B6zgazd%C3%A1sz)) so, I thought I’d create an English page for him, as I’m currently learning journalism as a hobby, and I’ve never edited a Wiki page before.

Unfortunately, several of my attempts have failed and were rejected (Draft:Barnabas Szabo). Could you help me by perhaps editing it so that the article becomes visible?

Also, I’m looking for a way to reproduce the "info box" (with the photo and some key data) from the Hungarian entry in the English article.

Please help a disappointed beginner!

Thank you, Financer01 (Joseph) Financer01 (talk) 01:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Declined not as severe and effort-ending as Rejected. David notMD (talk) 03:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

You can add the infobox using the WP:template {{infobox person}}. Wikipedia are not considered reliable sources(even on Wikipedia), so I recommend removing them. (see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source). In addition, I recommend declaring your conflict of interest, see Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. 👍 Ca <sup>talk to me!</sup> 03:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Financer01, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia.

You probably won't want to hear this, but: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

And having a possible conflict of interest makes it even harder. ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Checking a edit I made

I wanted to ask if an edit to the blast furnace I made was formated correctly and was good. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! You cited the source correctly, but it looks like you copied text from Britannica with only slight changes to the text. This is close paraphrasing, which is a copyright violation. You should use your own words when adding information to Wikipedia, instead of copying text from other sources. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

selling citations by pqasb.pqarchiver.com

Neve Campbell & no:Neve Campbell

https://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/access/516065561.html?dids=516065561:516065561&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Dec+29%2C+2003&author=Robert+Kahn.+STAFF+WRITER&pub=Newsday+(Combined+editions)&desc=Love+Matches+Up+2+Tennis+Couples&pqatl=google

https://web.archive.org/web/20121106160927/http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/access/516065561.html?dids=516065561:516065561&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Dec+29,+2003&author=Robert+Kahn.+STAFF+WRITER&pub=Newsday+(Combined+editions)&desc=Love+Matches+Up+2+Tennis+Couples&pqatl=google

https://web.archive.org/web/20070311071417/http://www.joonbug.com/Images/press/articles/newsday-12-29-03.htm

I see many of these

69.181.17.113 (talk) 02:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup> 09:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. Neve Campbell has a severe case of WP:CITEKILL, and I'm not going to plough through 196 citations to see which of them you are talking about (or to see which of them are worth keeping, for that matter). ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing another language

Hello, I have successfully edited a few pages in German and in English, however it seems to be more complicated if I want to edit something in Turkish. Would you mind helping me out? Is it because I’m still seen as a newbie in the Turkish version? I noticed a lot of information was missing in the Turkish version but one article I edited is still under review for a week now. If anyone has some knowledge about this or experience and would love to share it with me that would be great, thank you so much. Presse8 (talk) 05:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Presse8, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that it's unlikely anybody here can help you with the Turkish Wikipedia. Each language version is an entirely separate project, with its own rules, policies, procedures, and administrators.

You might be able to get some help at tr:VP:DM. ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Editorial error re Pacific Saury, fish

RE:Pacific saury

I'm hoping an editor will take the following item in hand.

In the section on Japanese consumption of sanma (saury) it is stated that in the Kii Peninsula region of Japan" the fish is known as "saira." I have lived on the Kii Peninsula for 35 years and I have never heard sanma referred to as saira. I am an avid fish eater, preparing and eating locally caught fish, including sanma in season, two or three times a week. The area in which I live is Kumano Nada, the Kumano Coast, residing in Kumano City in the middle of that coast. My close acquaintance with place and people extends all along the Pacific Coast of Mie Prefecture from Kii Nagashima in Kihokuchou lying to the northeast of here to Shingu City just over into Wakayama Prefecture and as far inland as the Kitayama Region of southern Nara Prefecture. I travel often as far as Kushimoto and Shio-no-Misaki and Ooshima at the southern tip of the peninsula. Perhaps the name saira is used along the Wakayama coast between Shio-no-Misaki and Wakayama City. But it is wrong to ascribe use of the name to the entire peninsula. In these parts it's sanma. 113.20.212.87 (talk) 06:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Anyone can edit Wikipedia. That includes you! In the article in question, that assertion is not verified by a reliable source, which means it may be challenged and removed at any time and by anyone as unverified. Now, don't replace that with another unreferenced fact based upon personal knowledge of yours—any other assertion of what it's called there should, too, be supported by a good source, and if such a source is unavailable, the article just shouldn't say anything about it at all. But if you run across an unreferenced fact, and you think it's dubious or inaccurate, you may challenge and remove it. So, go do that! (You should probably leave an edit summary stating something like "Removing unsourced material" so that no one mistakes your removal for vandalism; explaining any removal of material in the edit summary is always a good practice.) Seraphimblade <sup>Talk to me</sup> 09:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Done! It wasn't referenced, so I didn't have to worry about someone challenging! Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 12:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Source date, current Version or original Uploda

If i have a source ex.[5] And i want to cite it. Which source-date should i use, the most current one or when the article was originally published?

Thank you. Synonimany (talk) 08:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I suppose, you should use the most current date, for the source might not have been the same, by which I mean that newer information might have been added since when it was published, thus I say this. I'd also like to let you know that this is only what I think, and the others might say something else. Thank you, wishing you a wonderful day. Happy editing! Oleeveeya (talk) 09:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Synonimany, and welcome to the Teahouse.

A citation consists of information which will allow a reader (or reviewer) to judge the likely value of a source, and, if required, to obtain a copy: things like title, author, date, publisher, journal/magazine/series, page. If a legal online version happens to be available, then it is good practice to link to it, but (unless it is a purely online source) that is not a core part of the citation.

Most articles, once published, remain unchanged, and so it is the original date which you should cite, even if your convenience link is to a much later copy. If you have reason to think that the content changed over time, you should cite the copy you have seen (SAYWHEREYOUREADIT), and you may want to add a note if its publishing history might confuse or mislead a reader. ColinFine (talk) 10:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Article titling when the subject has made a name change

I'm editing the article on French singer Sarasara, and I have two questions.

The first: Sarasara is what I see referred to as the "stage name" for Sarah Filleurs. Is there any Wiki guidance on whether the title of an article on someone known by two different names should show both a birth name and a stage name (in parentheses)?

Augnablik (talk) 11:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

See WP:STAGENAME. Lectonar (talk) 11:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

According to WP:STAGENAME, someone with a stage name is generally referred to throughout the article by that name. So, then, the title of the article, Sarasara, is correct without further additions. Thank you, @Lectonar. Augnablik (talk) 17:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

How to suggest an editorial need within an article

Also in the Sarasara article, I'd like to point out an editorial need for something to be done but I've never done that before. I'd like to find out how. Here's why:

The version of the article I've been working on keeps switching the way it refers to the singer. Sometimes it's Sarah, other times Sarasara. This has gone on long enough in the discussion of the singer's life that I think her two names must be used out of sequence to refer to her. But then too, readers would be curious why and when she made the name change.

I'd have added this information myself, but I spent about 15 minutes doing a search to find this information and turned up nothing directly related. Unwilling to spend more time on this project in an already busy day, I thought to suggest the need for that information to be added, hoping another editor — perhaps the original writer — would pick up on it.

Please, then, would someone knowledgeable dispense the "how-to's"? In so doing, you'll probably help some other editors who may wonder how to do the same thing.

Augnablik (talk) 11:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

You could post and ask on the article talk-page, but as we are all volunteers, it's not sure when, or if, someone will pick this up or react on it. Most articles remain in a state of being unfinished in one way or the other. Lectonar (talk) 11:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but I’m sure I’ve seen this done within articles too — sort of like those ubiquitous “Citation needed” notices. Augnablik (talk) 13:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm...Template:Clarify, or perhaps even better Template:Explain, but there's oodles of others. Lectonar (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

She should't be referred to as "Sarah": we don't refer to article subjects by their first names. She should be either "Filleur" or "Sarasara", depending on whether the context is her as a person or as a performer. ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I seem to have forgotten about no first-naming in Wiki articles. But the distinction you make between her as a person and her as a performer is a little tricky except as far as before or after she made the name change — which at the moment we don’t know. Augnablik (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik, we would ordinarily use the most common name that the sources use. So if you skim through the citations in the article, are people discussing Sarasara or Filleur? That should tell you which name to use for her. StartGrammarTime (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@StartGrammarTime, the singer is referred to as BOTH Sarah and Sarasara in the article with no consistent pattern of usage that I can determine. Filleur, however, is never used to refer to her. Augnablik (talk) 17:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik What's important is not what the article currently says but what the sources say. If they never use the name "Filleur" then you have a relatively easy task to convert most of the Sarahs to Sarasara, per MOS:SURNAME. The Wikipedia editors have a search-and-replace function, which may help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik, as Mike Turnbull says, the citations in the article (the sources) are our guide. Just looking at the titles of the sources, if a name is used then it's 'Sarasara' - or frequently stylized 's a r a s a r a' - so we should use Sarasara as her name in the article, but mention the stylized version and ensure we have a redirect from both 's a r a s a r a' and 'Sarah Filleur' for any readers looking for her with those names. StartGrammarTime (talk) 05:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Mike, I’d like to hear more about your comment that there’s a search-and-replace function for Wiki work. That would definitely help.

In fact, I’d already wondered if there were such a tool for exactly that purpose, as I’m now convinced it would be perfectly fine to change all the Sarah references to Sarasara in this article. But (confession time), I got thinking that because I’m now a toddler rather than a complete newbie, I should know where to go to check for that sort of thing” — and I myself would get a little exasperated with someone who “should know by now.” So, I held back asking for help even though I just can’t recall (if I ever did know). Augnablik (talk) 06:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Help me get my first article get accepted!

Hi experienced ediotors, pls help me understand this situation! I can’t understand!

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Dan arndt were:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

• in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
• reliable
• secondary
• independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Fails WP:GNG - noting Wikis are not acceptable or reliable sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Melon Sandbox and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Nanb500001 (talk) 11:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Just what are you asking for/about here, Nanb500001? In the meantime, please note that for people who don't understand certain key terms (e.g. "reliable sources"), links are provided from those terms to explanations. -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Nanb500001, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

I'm afraid that your experience is common for people who try the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent time learning about Wikipedia. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft..

If you had never built anything before, and you tried to build a house, do you think that you would even understand that feedback that you got when you tried at that level? ColinFine (talk) 12:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I already did some edits to other and my account is a few weeks old Nanb500001 (talk) 13:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

We understand that, but it may even take months, weeks if you were getting in-depth.

My suggestion is if you still want to make the article, make it a sandbox and work on it for a long time. Adding things as you go along, then ask an unrelated older editor to look at it and give you feedback. If they think it is good summit it.

The point is that it could take months to get the article ready for resubmitting. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 15:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

How can I give experienced editors my example article? Nanb500001 (talk) 07:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Just talk to one on they're talk page with a link to the Sandbox/Draft. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 07:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Nanb500001 (talk) 07:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

I’m a starter editor. I understand what a reliable source is but the game I write on my article does not have an official website. The only way I can get references is through user generated content like a fandom wiki article. How can I get a reliable source without an official website. Nanb500001 (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

You can't "get a reliable source" as you are describing. Reliable sources have to take note of the game on their own and decide to write about it. If you influence a source to write about the game, it is not an independent source that can be used to establish notability. If you don't have appropriate sources for the game, it would not merit a Wikipedia article. A Fandom wiki is probably a better forum in which to write about the game. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Well it have an official youtube channel Nanb500001 (talk) 08:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

That's meaningless in terms of notability, I'm afraid. You need independent reliable sources. I'm sorry to say that if you don't have appropriate sources to summarize that no amount of editing can confer notability on the game. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

So can I have an official youtube channel as a source? Nanb500001 (talk) 08:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Plus there is only an official website of the peoples who made it https://playducky.com Nanb500001 (talk) 08:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, we're telling you these things aren't appropriate to establish notability. It doesn't look like the game merits a Wikipedia article. Again, a Fandom wiki is likely a better place to write about it, as it will likely have less stringent requirements. 331dot (talk) 08:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

How to remove the Expand Section box

I've responded to the Expand Section box under the Cast section of Escape from Germany (2024 film). I feel the request has been adequately completed, so how do I remove the box? This is specific to VisualEditor. Skidney1969 (talk) 11:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea how to do that in the visual editor, but I was so bold and removed the expand-section template. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 11:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Lectonar! Skidney1969 (talk) 12:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

In the vidual editor, you can just click on a template and hit the delete key. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 14:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Talk to the public community's market Jah Rastafari haile

Welcome greetings 24.44.167.98 (talk) 12:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 13:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

De Selby - please don't remove this page!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Selby This page has a warning on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal I am not clever enough to edit Wikipedia pages, I am finding it a struggle to figure out how to write this here, but really want to appeal to you not to remove the above page, for the following reasons:

1) This character, de Selby, is of importance to readers of Robert Anton Wilson(RAW), and without this page those (like me) who want to find out his origins will be unable to do so. 2) There are "quotes" from the fictional book "Golden Hours" in RAW's book "The Widow's Son" which are seriously worth thinking about:

   a. "An expert is an idiot who has found people more ignorant than himself and knows how to bewitch them."
   b. "Government is organized violence, a fact which all know when they wish to turn its guns on their enemies and that all regret when its guns are turned against themselves. The only sane attitudes toward this contraption (sane in the sense of consistent) are those of the sadomasochist, who enjoys the violence whether the target be others or himself, and the anarchist, who rejects it entirely on moral grounds."

And many more. It is useful for the reader to be aware of this character's origins in Flann O'Brian's "The Third Policeman", in which he is (quoting from the Wikipedia article) " a savant who theorizes, among other things, that the earth is actually shaped like a sausage."

Another quote from "The Widow's Son": "He was pushed to the front of the line, and somebody said near his ear, "'The first shall be last and the last first.'" This is followed by a footnote: "A text often cited by de Selby in defence of his strange doctrine of plenumary time."

RAW also has satirical theories of de Selby's, such as "the accumulation in the atmosphere of teratological molecules" - a sort of forerunner of the kinds of conspiracy theories which are prevalent today.

it may seem that the comic nature of these references implies a certain shallowness about RAW's book, but this could not be further from the truth. RAW hides profound truths and other stuff in his writings.

Rather than remove this page, maybe someone could include RAW's development of this character as an eccentric and inventive author, of dubious character and great verbosity. Sheenabetts (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, the issue isn't really due to lack of character development but a lack of secondary sources., as the maintenance template states. The article needs reliable secondary sources (books, news/magazine articles, journals, etc) independent of the subject that cover the subject in detail. An example could be a literary criticism textbook discussing the character... that's just one example. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 15:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Lowercase Sigmabot III help

Hi guys. A while back I assisted another editor in setting up auto archiving at their talk page. However, the archiver bot keeps missing the top two entries. I fixed the date sigs as best I could according to the bot documentation but it still is ignoring them. Does anyone know what is wrong there? Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 15:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Iggy pop goes the weasel. The archive instructions say algo = old(360d) and minthreadstoarchive = 3. There are currently only 2 threads older than 360 days so no archiving is allowed by the instructions. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Right, but if you view the history it was archiving things much newer than those two entries. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 15:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

That was when it was archiving threads that are older than 7 days, Smallchief changed it to 360 days right after. – 2804:F1...88:7F3B (talk) 15:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Got it and thank you. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

If an existing article title needs to be slightly modified?

There is a stub article Point Foundation (environment) that needs to be changed to POINT Foundation (environment). This is due to the fact that the Point Foundation always capitalized the letters in the forst portion of their name. This's noticeable in the usage in the numerous publications published by the Foundation, and also in how board members wrote the name when referring to the organization's activities, etc.

I've referenced the Foundation in a draft article I've been working on, and using the proper form of POINT will not wikify. I had to use the improper form "Point". Help, I don't know how to modify an article title. Thanks.Joel Russ (talk) 15:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Joel Russ Do you mean that you tried to WP:MOVE it, but that didn't work? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. No, I didn't know that option. But I will try it amd, that works, then I've learned somethng new.Joel Russ (talk) 16:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes it did work, so thanks once again.Joel Russ (talk) 16:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, per WP:MOSTM we should follow standard capitalisation rules in article titles, and ignore what trademark owners etc. might prefer. So this should be 'Point Foundation' in the title (unless POINT is an acronym, of course?). In the lead section the stylised version can then be mentioned. Happy to be proven wrong, though! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:TITLETM it seems to be the usual COMMONNAME reasoning that applies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Help regarding a Draft

Hello, I have created a draft article on Draft:Ankit Baiyanpuria but I am not seeing the option to submit it for Articles for Creation (AfC) review. Could someone guide me on how to enable or access the AfC submission option? Thank you! AstuteFlicker (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I've added the necessary template now. Use {{subst:AfC draft}} if you have this issue in the future. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deleted by an Administrator. "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" David notMD (talk) 02:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

How to report users?

I have experienced an uncalled for argument where I feel I have been treated with disrespect by a fellow Wikipedian. How and to whom can I report the incident? I am not seeking any disciplinary action; a warning would suffice. Benzekre (talk) 17:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Benzekre. That's really not how Wikipedia works. Chronic, intractable behaviour problems can be reported at WP:ANI, but generally editors are expected to work to resolve differences themselves.

I'm guessing this is about the exchange at User talk:TylerBurden? Yes, TylerBurden could have been more polite, but they were pointing you (indirectly) at Q4 of the FAQ at the top of Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Honestly, if you're going to get upset about that level of disrespect, you may have a hard time interacting at Wikipedia. I suggest you just move on to something else. ColinFine (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Correct. Yes, he could have been more polite; especially to a newcomer like me. I know it wasn't a terrible incident; that is why I am not seeking any bans or disciplinary action. Benzekre (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Benzekre Take a look at WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE and see if you think that applies to your situation. Note that if you proceed with reporting to a noticeboard, your conduct is very likely to be under scrutiny as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

In the first instance, you should address them directly on their talk page. If that doesn't produce a satisfactory outcome then WP:RUCD has further suggestions. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Benzekre, you are simply not allowed to engage in any substantive discussion or debate about articles pertaining to the war between Russia and Ukraine anywhere on Wikipedia, and that includes that user's talk page. You must wait until you have made 500 productive edits in other topic areas. So, please drop this because you are otherwise at high risk of being blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 18:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cullen328. Since I am a newcomer, I am not sure I understand your point. While I know that the war between Russian and Ukraine is a sensitive topic; not even on the talk page of the war, am I not allowed to debate this? If that is the case, there are many users who are discussing it on the talk page in question. Lastly, since I am a newcomer, please forgive any mistakes done from my end. Benzekre (talk) 18:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Benzekre, please carefully read the warnings at the top of Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine, especially the statement However, non-extended-confirmed editors may not make edits to internal project discussions related to the topic area, even on article talk pages. Internal project discussions include, but are not limited to, Articles for deletion nominations, WikiProjects, requests for comment, requested moves, and noticeboard discussions. You are not allowed to debate this topic anywhere on Wikipedia until your account becomes extended confirmed. Being a newcomer is not a defense because it is a restriction specifically applied to newcomers. Please drop this so that you don't get blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 19:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The notice on the article talk page is confusing. It says "Only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area, though editors who are not extended-confirmed may post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area on article talk pages." But then later in the same paragraph says "However, non-extended-confirmed editors may not make edits to internal project discussions related to the topic area, even on article talk pages." So which is it? Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit requests and "internal project discussions" are not the same thing. A pre-extended-confirmed editor can make edit requests but not participate in things like RfCs, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 04:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Can I edit this Wikipedia?

The admincabal ruling the Hungarian Wikipedia permabanned me, they provoked me with vulgar and offensive texts to violate some guidline, then they used it as a casus belli to permaban me without real chance to resolve this. HuWiki ArbCom is suspended (probably never will be restored) so there is no control over the admin decisions. The real reason of my banning was probably I was an advocate for deadmination of a user who generated personal conflicts, used uncivilised language and once edited the Wiki on the pressure of a government agency and also was an advocate on restoring ArbCom. Hope this Wikipedia is really the free encyclopedia and the Hungarian cabal are not able to globally block me. Hörgő (talk) 18:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hörgő Afaik, yes, you can edit en-WP. However, we have rules like WP:CIVIL, WP:EW and WP:BLP, including a number of WP:Contentious topics. You can get blocked here too, so try to avoid that happening. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

You would have to be seriously disruptive to earn a global block. There's nothing preventing you from editing constructively on any wiki which hasn't already blocked you. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Plant/Fungus names in Articles

Hello,

I would like to know what the policy is on plant/fungi names in article. Should one only use the scientific name, throughout the article, or should one alternate between the common names and scientific name? When mentioning other species in the same article, should one stick to their scientific names or their common ones?

Thank you

~~~ Зэгс ус (talk) 22:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Help in sources

I'm trying to make my first Wikipedia page. The only problem here, is that the only sources that I know that have this person information (age, country, name), is on the list of Reliable sources/Perennial sources. The sources are from fandom wiki. The person that I want to make a page is Gooseworx. I tried to get some sources from different sites that do not are on the list, but the informations are literally the same and these other sites have even less information. TheunnamedBR (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

TheunnamedBR, what you write suggests that this person is not notable. An article about a non-notable person cannot be created. -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

ok ;) TheunnamedBR (talk) 01:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Help with disambiguation please

My new article Carol A. Carter is similar in name to Carol Ann Carter, would appreciate help. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 01:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

This article appears to have only two independent sources, and has quite a few MoS issues (“brought with her a trick”, references in headings, etc). I would not have accepted this at AfC, and considering it was only published a few days ago, I wonder if it should be draftified? 02:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC) -- NotCharizard <sup>🗨</sup> 02:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1, what you're looking for is Template:For. Use this at the top of each page so that they link to each other. -- asilvering (talk) 04:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Man Mandir Palace

Hello, I have created a page on a historic monument. But it was declined. Can anyone help me finding the reason for deletion and improvisation. Thanks Donchocolate (talk) 05:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Donchocolate. Your submission was blank. It had no content whatsoever. Why would you think that a content-free submission would be accepted? Cullen328 (talk) 05:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, well I was researching on the topic and at the same time was thinking to add the content. Donchocolate (talk) 05:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Donchocolate This is why we have WP:DRAFT and WP:Article wizard. See also WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)